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USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

^ PixelMagic, would you care to share what you've been told versus what the wire-frame image from the last episode depicts? I know I'd like to read what you have to say. Spoiler tags for the un-sullied, please....

Honestly, I don't know what the Connie will look like. I saw the Shenzhou/Discovery before they were revealed to the public, but I have not seen any Connies. All I know is I've been told the graphic last night is not representative of the DSC prime Connie. I hope that is the case, I hate that graphic.
 
From my understanding, if what I'm being told is accurate, that's not true. It's not supposed to be what the DSC Prime Connie looks like. It's either modifications by the Terran Empire, or someone just goofed up the graphic. Not sure which.
But that has the same problem as before. Because if the Terran Empire was given to modifying the old Defiant, the same modifications would have been made to the Mirror Enterprise. It makes more sense for the Defiant to NOT be modified after 100 years (it's the original ship and they didn't want to mess with it) than for newly-built Constitutions to retain the 100 year old design.

The producers almost certainly know this as well: Defiant is the baseline for all other Empire ships, so the only reason to exactly copy the design is if they lack the ability to make significant improvements to it. It's entirely possible and even likely that the wireframe is not what the Prime Constitution will end up looking like (sans phaser pods in the pylons and a different deflector probably), but the fact that they bothered to come up with a redesign in the first place means the TOS version is already a non-starter.
 
...but the fact that they bothered to come up with a redesign in the first place means the TOS version is already a non-starter.

Oh, for sure. I've been told there is no chance it will look like the TOS Connie. It will be modified for a modern aesthetic for sure. Although I have not seen it, my impression is that it will be redesigned, but still unmistakably a Connie the instant you see it.
 
Oh, for sure. I've been told there is no chance it will look like the TOS Connie. It will be modified for a modern aesthetic for sure. Although I have not seen it, my impression is that it will be redesigned, but still unmistakably a Connie the instant you see it.

Ah, good! Just like the Klingon D7 then! :lol:

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I don't know if this is mentioned, but.....

This is the Defiant, that has been in the MU for about a century now. It might very well have been upgraded by the Terrans. For all we know the actual Prime Connie will look totally different!
 
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I don't know if this is mentioned, but.....

This is the Defiant, that has been in the MU for about a century now. It might very well have been upgraded by the Terrans. For all we know the actual Prime Connie will look totally different!
It's been mentioned quite a few times the last few pages.

Also why did you people stop using spoiler tags? This thread does not have a spoiler warning in the title.
 
Agreed on being passable as another kind of Klingon ship. A prison ship, for instance. We saw transports and tankers used by the Klingons in other series and they still had a Klingon feel overall despite being radically different from the warships used by the Klingon Defense Forces.
 
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It's been mentioned quite a few times the last few pages.

Also why did you people stop using spoiler tags? This thread does not have a spoiler warning in the title.

Good point, I'll edit my post.
 
No. Go back and watch the scene. It's from the rebel data base download. That's what leads me to believe the graphic is the modifications made by the Terran Empire, or some mistake from the art dept.

They got the information about the
USS Defiant’s journey and presence in the Mirror Universe
from the rebel database that’s for sure. But that graphic could still be from their own ship’s database. They all seemed to recognize it immediately without blinking an eye.

Look, all I’m saying is that we can’t be 100% positively sure and reach to definite conclusions about it one way or the other. And since you haven’t seen the actual Constitution-class "redesign" yourself neither can you.
 
No need to be dismissive just because you disagree. It's either redesigned or it isn't. We've just seen one so far. It's up in the air at this point.
 
But that has the same problem as before. Because if the Terran Empire was given to modifying the old Defiant, the same modifications would have been made to the Mirror Enterprise. It makes more sense for the Defiant to NOT be modified after 100 years (it's the original ship and they didn't want to mess with it) than for newly-built Constitutions to retain the 100 year old design.

The producers almost certainly know this as well: Defiant is the baseline for all other Empire ships, so the only reason to exactly copy the design is if they lack the ability to make significant improvements to it. It's entirely possible and even likely that the wireframe is not what the Prime Constitution will end up looking like (sans phaser pods in the pylons and a different deflector probably), but the fact that they bothered to come up with a redesign in the first place means the TOS version is already a non-starter.
Not necessarily. It could be a test-bed for the Empire, or the flagship for the leadership of the Empire, meaning it gets all the bells and whistles vs. a front line ship.

No need to be dismissive just because you disagree. It's either redesigned or it isn't. We've just seen one so far. It's up in the air at this point.
Just more reasons to be critical of DISCO :rolleyes::(
 
No need to be dismissive just because you disagree. It's either redesigned or it isn't. We've just seen one so far. It's up in the air at this point.
I don’t know if you’re replying to me but if you are, I didn’t mean to be dismissive at all. I have no problem to apologize to @PixelMagic if he feels I offended him in any way in my reply.

Just more reasons to be critical of DISCO :rolleyes::(

Again, I don’t know if that "friendly stab" is for me but if it is you couldn’t be more wrong. I happen to like that "wireframe" and I’d be perfectly happy whether it’s a Terran/Mirror refit or a Prime redesign. Go figure! :lol:
 
They got the information about the
USS Defiant’s journey and presence in the Mirror Universe
from the rebel database that’s for sure. But that graphic could still be from their own ship’s database. They all seemed to recognize it immediately without blinking an eye.

Look, all I’m saying is that we can’t be 100% positively sure and reach to definite conclusions about it one way or the other. And since you haven’t seen the actual Constitution-class "redesign" yourself neither can you.

That's true. I guess we'll see. My theory is they didn't blink an eye because it would have brought the scene to a screeching hault for the crew to mention it looked modified when only a minority of hardcore fanboys would notice.
 
I really hope that PixelMagic's info is correct. If they replace the beautiful original Connie with this thing I will probably literally cry.
 
But that has the same problem as before. Because if the Terran Empire was given to modifying the old Defiant, the same modifications would have been made to the Mirror Enterprise. It makes more sense for the Defiant to NOT be modified after 100 years (it's the original ship and they didn't want to mess with it) than for newly-built Constitutions to retain the 100 year old design.

The producers almost certainly know this as well: Defiant is the baseline for all other Empire ships, so the only reason to exactly copy the design is if they lack the ability to make significant improvements to it. It's entirely possible and even likely that the wireframe is not what the Prime Constitution will end up looking like (sans phaser pods in the pylons and a different deflector probably), but the fact that they bothered to come up with a redesign in the first place means the TOS version is already a non-starter.

I wouldn't be hard to explain away differences between Defiant and MU Enterprise (NCC-1701). We know that Defiant gave the Terran Empire a huge technological advantage over many other species in the quadrant. She's a legendary starship in the MU, probably more so than Enterprise is in the prime universe. She's also probably the Emperor's personal starship and that has been a tradition that has continued on since Empress Sato. Each new Emperor makes their own personal modifications to the ship (new warp core, new bridge, adding phaser cannons to the warp pylons, etc...).

ISS Enterprise was simply a run of the mill starship; One based on the original design of the legendary Defiant, sure, but nothing special.
 
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