USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Apparently.
It is the little things that can totally destroy the illusion one is trying to sell.
The saucer font being the same as the TOS Enterprise would have made a BIG aesthetic difference and the ship look more like it has in every other pre-refit iteration since 1964. It's just lettering and numbers.
I smell the "25% different" excuse at work or the need to change something just because and no other reason.
I smell the "25% different" excuse at work or the need to change something just because and no other reason.
Well in the one case of the Enterprise they made a poor judgment call. But hey, to each their own.
I don't think it was the 25% difference thing, unless that started long before the Enterprise was going to appear on the show. There's evidence that up until the last few weeks before airing the pilot, people behind-the-scenes were going back and forth on whether to use the TOS font or (for some ungodly reason) never-before-seen-in-Trek straight-up Microgramma. I have no idea why the people against consistency won the day, but I wish they hadn't. I think the weirder decision is that the Enterprise still has (more-or-less) the sixties-style pennants, while all the other ships use TMP-style pinstriping and delta-shields. I mean, it'd be even more jarring than them not using the TOS font, but it's not like they weren't already placing consistency with Discovery above evoking the original look.
Visually this show has been a mess almost from Day One. I like some of the ship designs and am generally at peace with the Enterprise but damn, this series is absolutely all over the map with its visual direction.
The notion of the two being “from the same factory” goes back to the Cinefex issue covering ROTS, showing that even the animators saw the distinction. (On the other hand, nobody official seems to have acknowledged the DS there as a related prototype, even though its shapes don’t quite match those in ANH either.)
I don't believe you have. At best you've indicated that that's what Star Wars fans think, but we're talking about Star Trek. We're also talking about fiction, so nothing's necessary.
What, you want names? The point is that you're assuming that the show should be tailor-made for you. Does that apply to every show and movie out there? Or do you perhaps understand that some of that stuff is not necessarily directed at you and your specific likes and dislikes?
Has anybody compared the cockpit shots of the Blockade Runners in ROTS and R1 to see what looks to be the same and what's been changed, even assuming they were considered to be the same vessel by the producers of the latter?
Because if you're going to bring up the purported size of a ship to claim that a newer design is inconsistent with it, it had better have been established. Otherwise it's just speculation, even by the makers of the show.
That's the worst example you could have found. Using the model of the ship, and the windows in the cockpit, you can have a VERY precise idea of how big it is.
If you want a kinda-official response to that, there are plenty of books that show exactly where cargo would be stored. If we were to see a map of the Falcon in a movie it might be slightly different but there's plenty of space.
And this is where the "stated on the show" comes in. Just like the cutaways of the Falcon in supplmentary SW materials, any of those figures can be contradicted by the show in a later episode. They are not canon, which means they are not part of the actual universe of Star Trek.
Well I don't know about you but I'd rather a figure that actually matches the on-screen evidence rather than a 50 year behind-the-scenes note.
They're obviously not windows. They light up the registry and are found on most DSC Federation designs exactly for that purpose.
I had absolutely no idea about the Blockade Runner changes until now. As a fairly casual Star Wars fan, I accepted it was the same ship because it was obviously supposed to be.
I guess that's how casual Star Trek viewers receive the Kelvin and Disco Enterprises - they both look basically like Kirk's ship from the old episodes and films, so it's fine. It's only us fans who obsess about the details.
I guess that's how casual Star Trek viewers receive the Kelvin and Disco Enterprises - they both look basically like Kirk's ship from the old episodes and films, so it's fine. It's only us fans who obsess about the details.
They should have just said it was modified in those 18 years between ROTS and ANH. They’ve done worse things to reconcile the prequels with things that came before them.
I always assumed that’s what happened to it, up until it appeared in its ANH design in Clone Wars. Then I read about the retcon.
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I just finished reading the 'Star Trek' Early Voyages comic book run (featuring Pike's crew just before and after the Cage). It strangely still holds up even after Discovery (you need to do some squinting like apparently Pike's dad can be both an admiral and a science teacher, but no contradictions too major. Even the Klingon appearances are isolated incidents involving a renegade named Kaaj that don't contradict their Discovery seclusion.)
Even though it's not canon, the ship (including the bridge) takes so much damage just in those 17 comic book issues that it could easily have been refit into the Discovery version during one of the repairs. Even the last issue ended on a cliffhanger with the Enterprise taking a pounding.
Even though it's not canon, the ship (including the bridge) takes so much damage just in those 17 comic book issues that it could easily have been refit into the Discovery version during one of the repairs. Even the last issue ended on a cliffhanger with the Enterprise taking a pounding.
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And not the whole ship being radically different shape?
Considering how bad the damage was in the last issue and that it ended on a cliffhanger (due to the comic being cancelled), it certainly was within the realm of possibility it would take damage so bad in the unseen ending that it required a refit into a new shape... :O
Not really, no.
You could show just about any Star Trek fan and probably 30% of non-Star Trek fans a silhouette of the Donnie and they'd still instantly recognize it as the Enterprise. That's not a 'radically different shape.'
But compared to changing the font on the hull, which is literally just paint, it is pretty damn radical! That was my point.
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