Let's ignore the new size. So when Pike gets promoted, the E will undergo a major refit to look like WNMHGB ship?
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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I am willing to let it go. Because there is TOS, then the 'business', then in-universe....all called 'Star Trek'. I don't need the headache.
What does that have to do with anything?
The chair has been in the opening credits since the first episode of the season.
Sure, ok. I think the DSC Enterprise bridge is an update.
Completely irrelevant to my argument. The point is that they wanted to change it and make it more relevant to the times, and then came up with the refit to explain it.
Come on, man. There is no existing tech in the UFP at any time that could account for that. Not all theories are equal.
I was talking about Phase II. They didn't have that much money then and they still changed everything.
Your examples aren't tech, they're artistic style for a single video game. Aside from Minecraft, what others are 8-bit?To be fair, reality is unrealistic. The bestselling computer game in 1993 was Myst and a forest there looked like
The bestselling PC game 18 years later in 2011 was Minecraft and a forest there looks like
Tech does go backward in real life, strangely enough. Things don't actually "flow right" in the real world.
So what's DSC's excuse?
It's the 21st century.
I was talking in-universe. @Belz mentioned the in-universe reason for the change from TOS.
Video games are made from tech. Graphics designs are an artistic choice, as are interior bridge designs (save for the wider viewscreen, we have seen no actual functionality advantages in Pike's bridge over Kirk's bridge).
Minecraft is 1 game. The Enterprise is 1 ship (we don't know what all the other Constitution designs are like, just that the Defiant bridge shares the TOS bridge). Both are the leads of their generation (Minecraft best selling game, Enterprise most prominent ship).
There are so many one-off technologies never heard of again that Bernd Schneider wrote an entire article about it (he says "There were several sensational scientific discoveries and technical revolutions, which should have changed the Federation forever or at least ought to play an important role, but were never seen or mentioned again.").
I'm not going to rewrite it here, just post the link: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/treknology-other.htm , under Forgotten Technologies.
A cosmetically reconfiguring bridge that is never heard of again would be on course for Trek's, very, very long list of one-hit tech wonders that are never heard of again. Like, life support belts: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Life_support_belt .
I get you don't like the theory, but to then go and say "Not all theories are equal" is again not even being subtle about saying another poster's fan theory is "inferior" to said fan theory where different rooms are supposed to be exactly the same, even with video evidence showing otherwise.
That's not what this is about. Why can't it just be "That's not my type of theory" and leave it at that? Why the need for the unsubtle jab of saying one theory is inferior with "Not all theories are equal". Note I never even mentioned another poster's theory or their quality in my initial post.
You're free to believe what you want. And that graciousness is paid with "Not all theories are equal", basically saying "Your theory is inferior to our theory". If that's what it's going to come down to, I wish people would just say it instead of trying to pretend otherwise.
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Different timeline.
It doesn't need an excuse. The reason is the same as Phase II, and TMP, and TWOK, and TFF, and TUC, and ENT. But only one of them offers an excuse. So why are you complaining about this one?
Well, yes, you'll get no argument from me on that. However, I was asking the in-universe reason for the change based on what CBS says.
Because barring ENT (which also has its share of continuity problems), none of those examples were showing something more advanced-looking taking place immediately before something far less advanced.
To be fair, no one can disprove a theory about a fictional universe, due to it being fictional.
Changes, additions, things that might 'seem' contradictory....these can all be brought in at any time, present or future, from those creating it. I could imagine tech to stretch the structure of the TOS Enterprise into the TMP version and then firm it up right after the stretching. It's fiction. If I was in the powers that be, I could make it canon.
I have a feeling if one of us tweeted CBS and asked if it was okay if we kept watching the show, paying for All-Access, but treated it as a different timeline, their answer would be "treat it however the fuck you want as long as we can keep charging your debit card!"
I have a feeling if one of us tweeted CBS and asked if it was okay if we kept watching the show, paying for All-Access, but treated it as a different timeline, their answer would be "treat it however the fuck you want as long as we can keep charging your debit card!"
And there's nothing wrong with trying to make a buck, even if you're telling people what they want to hear in order to do it, whether you yourself believe the same thing about your product or not.
I didn't say it was impossible. It's just very unlikely. It barely even makes any sense.
Do you not understand the concept of a visual retcon? What you describe doesn't happen. They just changed the designs again. The difference is that this is a prequel.
I have a feeling if one of us tweeted CBS and asked if it was okay if we kept watching the show, paying for All-Access, but treated it as a different timeline, their answer would be "treat it however the fuck you want as long as we can keep charging your debit card!"
Dear Star Trek: Discovery Viewer,
We sincerely appreciate your respectful question. However, it is quite unnecessary and suggests that the points in your impulse packs have seriously decayed. We suggest that you seek assistance from a qualified Starfleet engineer as soon as possible.
Best Regards,
CBS
Isn't that the section of the set they would remove at times for filming needs?
Those shows aired a long time ago. You have to realize there are people watching Discovery now who weren't even born then.
This is about modern audiences. Those who live in a world of touchscreens and holographic rock stars. Trying to sell them the candy buttons would have been folly. Flat screen communication? Futuristic once, but commonplace now.
I understand it just fine. Do you? So please explain how having a holographic communication system is a visual retcon from having only a viewscreen communication system. Backward steps in technology is not the definition of a visual retcon.
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