Exactly -- there's no indication that the Cage incident was the cause of General Order 7. Maybe Section 31 suggested it after last night's events. Or maybe even the Talosians themselves demanded to be left alone.
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Exactly -- there's no indication that the Cage incident was the cause of General Order 7. Maybe Section 31 suggested it after last night's events. Or maybe even the Talosians themselves demanded to be left alone.
Or the very existence of General Order 7 was an illusion. Isn't it Mendez who brings it up?
Why bring it up then? How do you, as a viewer noting all these differences, enjoy DSC?
I'm sorry, what are you really saying?
I enjoy it a great deal, but as it's own thing separate from the other Treks. CBS see things differently, but clearly their idea of what constitutes a cohesive continuity and mine differ.
Can I ask why it matters? This is not meant as sarcasm. I am truly curious to how your view of Trek is so different that it impacts seeing it as separate from all other Treks?
I kind of understand (sort of) because I genuinely regard TMP as being separate from TOS. TWOK skates by, but only just barely for me. To me, there are a lot of differences in characterization that stand out to me as being rather inconsistent with TOS.
Is it like that?
It really only "matters" regarding conversations here
Really, I tend to see the different shows as separate entities these days. Each has their own writers' room, with their own ideas about how Trek works.
I guess that works...It really only "matters" regarding conversations here
Really, I tend to see the different shows as separate entities these days. Each has their own writers' room, with their own ideas about how Trek works.
I guess it won't quite make sense to me.Thanks for the answer.
They sure as hell were. The TOS Klingons were nothing more than cardboard Snively Whiplash villains with oily skin.
Most of them. Especially the one who was petrified of Kor towards the end of "Errand of Mercy". Kor and Kang themselves, though, acted pretty close to later Klingons. In "Blood Oath", they were pretty much older versions of who they were in TOS, except with foreheads. Koloth, on the other hand, was a different story. William Campbell might as well have been playing a different character.
Korax, in "The Trouble With Tribbles", was basically that bully from junior high or high school. The one who you wanted to punch in the face like Scotty did.
The footage from the Cage and the footage from Discovery might look different to us, but it really isn't. The ships, characters, technology, etc.... are really the same.
I heard you the first time. I'm asking what you mean by that, since they clearly aren't the same. Do you mean that they are meant to be the same due to the visual reboot aspect? If so, you're not making a point that hasn't been made a hundred times, including by myself.
Well, either I'm blind and can't tell that the visuals are clearly different between 1964 and 2019, or I'm saying that we, the viewers, have to pretend that they are the same because the showrunners told us they're in the same universe.
I realize this point has been made a thousand times, but last night's episode put it out there 110%. They said "Here's the Cage, and here's Discovery. Seamless transition, amiright?".
"Twice Upon a Time" had a seamless transition. Just throwing the TOS theme in as underscore rather than using context-appropriate music and the faux-'60s flip-card scene-changes seemed to be drawing attention to how old-fashioned and campy the series was (by "was," I mean, "is popularly considerd to be by many people, apparently including those making Star Trek now"), and how sophisticated and modern Discovery is in comparison, complete with smash-cut sound-effect. There were better ways to execute on the idea (there's your all-purpose piece of DSC critical commentary).
Yeah, I just watched this episode for the first time in years. Kang is perfect, and it makes sense that Kor would age into Falstaff, but Koloth felt way off. The kind of loveable roguish figure from Tribbles turns into an unrecognisable stoic. Still a great episode, and Billy Campbell sells it, but he doesn't feel like Koloth.
Although that Tenth Planet footage is unrestored and has the contrast boosted to make it look much worse than it actually is, to underline the difference.
Not really. They both imply we have to nod and say "Yep. Same universe. I don't see any difference."Those are two diametrically opposed statements.
Except the first statement says we have to squint our eyes and pretend. The second statement implies that we don't have to squint our eyes and pretend.
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