There's a new trailer? When did that drop? I haven't seen mention of one. And the pictures have done nothing to change my opinion.
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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I can see the advantages of it from a televisual point of view - maybe even a dramatic one. I’m not convinced from an in-universe perspective that a window makes sense, but who cares, I’m on the losing side since they already put it in the show
Ultimately I just think it was an unnecessary change that was brought about by a director who I believe was influenced by Star Wars... which also ultimately didn’t do the Star Trek franchise any harm. So it is what it is.
I think it would have happened regardless of JJ. It's just a natural inclination to want to connect the interior and exterior shots and give a sense of the wondrous expanse of space (though it usually wouldn't look like much - which is why they always park real close to each other, or planets, or in DSC all the nebulas everwhere). If you read any BTS stuff for any of the movies or shows after TOS (or see/hear interviews), they always want to change things just for the sake of "cool" or putting their own stamp on it, or just because they can now and don't remember why they did it the way the did in the first place*. Now, with budget/tech not being limited in that way, there's a window on the bridge because... it was going to happen.
*Looking at you, Romulans with lumpy heads.
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It was my thought the moment I saw the ship, but now it's just entirely obvious. It looks way better now. Even more detailed than the Eaglemoss orthos or the Anovos model we saw yesterday.
I wonder why they didn’t opt to do that with ENT or NEM? The technology would certainly have allowed for it. And the Argo had a dune buggy in it so it’s not like they were opposed to new ideas
If the trailer is any indication, and that’s always a dodgy predictor, season 2…
There is an entire thread dedicated to it with several pages.
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/season-2-teaser.295098/
Even with a budget, it ain't cheap. Maybe that's where all the money the B&H [reportedly] wasted in the first half of S2 went, as there certainly was a lot of it in S1. And at least with ENT and NEM Berman (for whatever his many faults) was a steady hand not messing with too many of the basics (perhaps to a detrimental extreme, but that's an argument for another thread).
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Interestingly enough, the Argo buggy has no windshield.
By the hand of Kahless that’s another option we’ve not considered - the advantages of having neither a window nor a screen!
It’s happened what, three times? “Year of hell”, “nemesis”, and “twilight” (does twilight count as it was like the roof of the bridge that got blown off compared to the screen in the other two cases?)
Pros: no heads up displays giving the crew a migraine.
Cons: no atmosphere on the bridge giving the crew cases of deadness
Finally, a show I can get behind.By the hand of Kahless that’s another option we’ve not considered - the advantages of having neither a window nor a screen!
It’s happened what, three times? “Year of hell”, “nemesis”, and “twilight” (does twilight count as it was like the roof of the bridge that got blown off compared to the screen in the other two cases?)
Pros: no heads up displays giving the crew a migraine.
Cons: no atmosphere on the bridge giving the crew cases of deadness
Now, to come up with a catchy title...
Finally, a show I can get behind.
Now, to come up with a catchy title...
"If It Ain't Red..., It's Not Gonna Be Dead"
Sometimes it's just a tough call as to what's relevant and what isn't. It's quite subjective.
I'm going to add what I feel is necessary to what I said earlier and then I'm going to leave it alone.
Historians often do NOT have all of the information that they really need to paint an accurate picture.
Example: Military Intelligence had it that on a certain island there were approximately 1,000 Japanese soldiers occupying it. The reality turned out to be approximately 10,000. They were off by a factor of 10. It was embarrassing to M. I. that they were so far off in their estimate, so the official figures were fudged. You get enough of that kind of thing and it adds up. Years later, historians do not have accurate figures.
Before the bombs were dropped, they were gearing up for Operation Downfall. As the Allies secured the smaller islands in the Pacific, they were pulling out of them and preparing for the push to invade Japan. Allied supplies, vehicles, etc were starting to be destroyed on the islands by the Allies so that the Japanese could not come back around and take advantage of them. At the time, it made more sense to destroy the material on site to keep it from falling into enemy hands than wasting time going around and transporting it to ships. After the bombs were dropped and the war ended, those orders were suspended. When the Korean War began, a lot of the tanks and other material that had not been destroyed was gathered up, serviced, and put into use in that conflict.
Before the bombing and when the plan was still to invade Japan, my father told about jeeps and trucks having charges attached to blow their engine blocks and then they were pushed over into a deep ravine. U.S. war production was at a level that it was more expedient to ship more equipment in from the States. Plus, the stuff would be brand new for such a crucial campaign.
So yeah, for better or worse, the plan was to invade Japan. And also, for better or for worse depending on your perspective, the atomic bombs eliminated the invasion plan.
guilty, but there are only so many reasons why the designers put a window in, I mean, there can't be a billion reasons, surely it's only a handful...
1. The 25% rule?
2. Practical Use? (tho that argument is illogical)
3. Designer chosen aesthetic value?
4. Harkening back to the Kelvin Enterprise?
5. Trying to bring a Ralph McQuirrie type idea to the series, since a window was not used, but at one time may have back during the initial design phase of the original Enterprise? (a cheap gimmick that really doesn't need to be done, and in most case is not a real want)
I mean what other reason could making a stupid window on the bridge be necessary? I thought the original Idea was to make these ships like submarine's in space. Does anyone not remember the fantastic and epic episode, one of my personal favs.. "Balance of Terror" where the Enterprise and the Romulans went toe to toe in a "Das Boot" sub warfare, or " The Hunt For Red October" sort of way. The View SCREEN was a pivotal role in that episode as it was used to reverse track a signal back showing the commander (who obviously shares a genetic connection with Sarek, LOL) and for the first time they see Romulans. So IDK, all I am saying is I'm not a fan of the window, or the stupid Logo Lights and the depression just to make the words stand out in the light. This design is just off, and I can NOT accept it as the TOS Enterprise, no matter what prefix is attached to it..
NOT Modernized Enterprise, Not Updated Enterprise, NOT More-realisitc Enterprise..
Nope. It's just someone's stylized reboot in a Series trying desperately to act like there's a connection to TOS, but in reality story content, design, and acting wise. It's a disaster and like someone's idea of TREK, maybe even a sort of homage in a strange sort of way. But overall, we know the head of CBS wanted something like the Kelvin movies, but set in the past, and kinda like Enterprise, but more like BSG 2000s in terms of character drama. Make it dark but exciting like the movies. What was the result?
A series that really just does not click with me. I can accept pretty much all those series that came before STD. But this series is set apart, and tho I know there are some who are in love with it, I can support that, but I have to seriously disagree with their view on it. I don't hate STD, I am just disinterested in it, disappointed, and annoyed more then anything else. I got a twinge of Excitement seeing the Enterprise, but then I was like, yes.
It's kinda needed given how poor this season was. I would throw that in there too, and be like "LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK! WE BROUGHT THE ENTERPRISE! see what we did? see? There's Pike, No. 1, and Spock all in the new season two! Don't leave our streaming service. Please stay tuned... Please!!
Hey, we'll throw in some classic Romulans next! (even tho contact with them wasn't re-engaged until Kirk took that voyage during "Balance of Terror") I wonder what other little tidbits/Gimmicks will be used when the going gets tough?
If they want my subscription and money back, then make a new series that is more in line with what most fans want to see.. Something set after TNG and Canon only matters when referencing the past. Easy peasy.. then they can introduce new concepts and ideas. Given how advanced they made Discovery tech look, by the time they reach the Enterprise J should be able to fold space, travel thru time, and teleport to any place at any time. I mean, they act like Star Fleet (which did use a monetary basis for ship construction, at least it once was the case) and resources are unlimited. In the classic TRUE TOS their resources were limited and the ships were treated as highly valuable because they were so expensive to build, back then Star Fleet only had so many, and the majority were Constitution, the back bone of the Federation. The reason being if I remember correctly was their stout, reliable, and easy to mass produce where funding allowed.
remember the war games?
The Super Computer M-5.. The Constitution class was a symbol of Elegance, and yet strength. Given how much of a pounding Kirk's ship took from the 5 year trek, and then thru V-ger, and Khan, it finally met it's end, but Kirk had to blow the damn thing up! Think about that. The OG Enterprise was so tough, it took self destruction only to defeat it.
IDK if this new STD Enterprise gives me that feeling. I don't think a window on the bridge is necessary. The squished aspect of the neck. The color is too dark grey. It should be a lighter color of grey, and the Aztec stuff should be more subtle in color and tone too. This ship's design is too stylized, like there's Megaman, and then there's Megaman XV2. One is sleek and a badass. The other is stylized and tho may look sorta cool. it's that original sleek design of the one and only true Megaman, that people still love and adore.
So too with this STD Enterprise versus the beloved TOS ship. A good design for some, but never will it eclipse that original sleek and Iconic Original Enterprise and it's refit.
Leaving aside the latest derails, it looks like we got a shot of the Enterprise's phasers in the trailer. The bottom dome opened up and four ball turrets emerged. Looks like we may be getting some classic twin beams.
I think those were the ball ships that were shown flying around throughout the trailer?
Based on the color of ship from which they are being dropped it's most likely Discovery dropping them.
Though how they end up looking like this is not clear:
They probably unfold in some way.
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I thought they were probes based upon the voice over.I think those were the ball ships that were shown flying around throughout the trailer?
Based on the color of ship from which they are being dropped it's most likely Discovery dropping them.
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