USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[ITDUDE]

I thought they were probes based upon the voice over.

But there were talking about sensors that already picked up seven red bursts. Means it happened before Enterprise intercepted Discovery.

 

[fireproof78]

But there were talking about sensors that already picked up seven red bursts. Means it happened before Enterprise intercepted Discovery.

Well, my thoughts (simple though they are) is that those are probes to be launched to get closer readings on some of the red bursts, while the heroes investigate one.

 

[Noah_23]

This is my favorite shot of both ships in the entire series so far, no joke. I love when the camera gets up close to ships, all the hull details and windows on Discovery are awesome to see up close. And the Enterprise looks great from the front too.

I'm fairly confident the dome opening up is not the lower sensor dome on either ship, but rather some sort of airlock/probe launcher on the underside of Discovery's secondary hull. The shape of the flat hull seems to match it, along with the blue spotlight bulb you see a few moments later.

I'm curious where this corridor is located. We can see a window at the far end of the hallway which seems to be part of the same window room set from season one, but with an added corridor segment. The corridor skylight looks out into space, so I think this corridor and skylight are in the secondary hull. The surface of the secondary hull has some what appear to be top facing blue windows/lights. Could this be the interior of one of those?

 

[Mudd]

It's the same set as the radial corridor connecting the "hub" of the Discovery saucer to the rotating rim.

We looked down into the corridor from that overhead window in an early episode of season one.

 

[Noah_23]

It's one of the radial corridors connecting the "hub" of the Discovery saucer to the rotating rim.

We looked down into the corridor from that overhead window in an early episode of season one.

Nope, those walkway corridors had side windows and were much wider than standard corridors.

 

[DaveyNY]

This is my favorite shot of both ships in the entire series so far, no joke. I love when the camera gets up close to ships, all the hull details and windows on Discovery are awesome to see up close. And the Enterprise looks great from the front too.

I'm fairly confident the dome opening up is not the lower sensor dome on either ship, but rather some sort of airlock/probe launcher on the underside of Discovery's secondary hull. The shape of the flat hull seems to match it, along with the blue spotlight bulb you see a few moments later.

I'm curious where this corridor is located. We can see a window at the far end of the hallway which seems to be part of the same window room set from season one, but with an added corridor segment. The corridor skylight looks out into space, so I think this corridor and skylight are in the secondary hull. The surface of the secondary hull has some what appear to be top facing blue windows/lights. Could this be the interior of one of those?

None of your pics are showing for me???

 

[lawman]

And why does Abrams get mocked constantly? He made one of the most successful films in franchise history and he still gets berated.

Umm, maybe because the movie sucked moose balls? "Successful" is not remotely the same thing as "good."

Ultimately I just think it was an unnecessary change that was brought about by a director who I believe was influenced by Star Wars... which also ultimately didn’t do the Star Trek franchise any harm. So it is what it is.

First clause: yes, agree completely. Second clause: didn't do any harm? How do you figure?

If you read any BTS stuff for any of the movies or shows after TOS (or see/hear interviews), they always want to change things just for the sake of "cool" or putting their own stamp on it, or just because they can now and don't remember why they did it the way the did in the first place*.

Yes, they do. And it's almost always ill-conceived and annoying.

It’s happened what, three times? “Year of hell”, “nemesis”, and “twilight”

Don't even bring Twilight into this. Trek doesn't need vampires!...

Ugh I thought we left this behind pages ago.

Trek is an inherently political show, and always has been. Why are you bothered so much by conversations about the real-world analogues it evokes? Are conversations about bridge windows really more stimulating?

 

[fireproof78]

Umm, maybe because the movie sucked moose balls? "Successful" is not remotely the same thing as "good."

With due respect, no. If my wife, not a Star Trek fan, and my dad, only TOS fan (never watched a frame of TNG forward) and my mom, never an SF fan, can enjoy the film, then I will stand by my opinion that it is a good film. It reaches both fans and non-fans, and fits the spirit of TOS with the action/adventure style with social commentary woven in it.

 

[lawman]

My girlfriend at the time, and two other friends who were longtime Trek fans who saw it with us, also thought it was good. It took me the span of several drinks after the movie to explain to them all in detail why they were wrong...

 

[fireproof78]

My girlfriend at the time, and two other friends who were longtime Trek fans who saw it with us, also thought it was good. It took me the span of several drinks after the movie to explain to them all in detail why they were wrong...

I've heard every explanation in the books among several fan communities. Most boil down to "This isn't real Star Trek." It isn't a perfect film, by any stretch, but it is still a good film in its own right, and a good Star Trek film at that, and doesn't deserve the mockery it receives.

 

[CorporalClegg]

My girlfriend at the time, and two other friends who were longtime Trek fans who saw it with us, also thought it was good. It took me the span of several drinks after the movie to explain to them all in detail why they were wrong...

I can only imagine...

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Second clause: didn't do any harm? How do you figure?

Financially i guess as 09 made a whole load of money - and I reckon led to DSC being made at all, which is probably why DSC looks so much like the Kelvin timeline. TPTB seem to think that’s what people want to see (and seemingly many trekkers do, despite CBS’s apparent drive to make DSC appeal to muggles). If anything 09 did its job of getting Trek out of the rut it had got into by the point of TATV - it got Star Trek moving again, so in that sense it didn’t do any harm.

I think you and I would agree that the direction ST09 set for Star Trek wasn’t the preferred direction - but it looks like we’re stuck with it. The philosophical question is “is having DSC better than no Star Trek at all”? At present I’m tempted to answer “yes” because if there is any Trek at all there is always the possibility for it to get better.

Don't even bring Twilight into this. Trek doesn't need vampires!...

Even salt vampires?

 

[Belz...]

guilty

I think you mean "sustained".

I mean what other reason could making a stupid window on the bridge be necessary?

Well, of course by calling it stupid right off the bat, it creates a sense that you're right before you've even won the argument. Clever, but not quite enough to fool me. The window is not stupid.

Umm, maybe because the movie sucked moose balls? "Successful" is not remotely the same thing as "good."

Actually, it's the only way you can judge if something's "good" for people other than yourself. Just because you didn't like them is not remotely the same thing as "bad".

Trek is an inherently political show, and always has been.

We've had this discussion before. Trek isn't even usually political, and a lot of that is interpretation.

My girlfriend at the time, and two other friends who were longtime Trek fans who saw it with us, also thought it was good. It took me the span of several drinks after the movie to explain to them all in detail why they were wrong...

Isn't that a bit of a dick move to purposely try to diminish someone's enjoyment of a work just to bring them down to your level?

 

[Rahul]

Financially i guess as 09 made a whole load of money - and I reckon led to DSC being made at all, which is probably why DSC looks so much like the Kelvin timeline. TPTB seem to think that’s what people want to see (and seemingly many trekkers do, despite CBS’s apparent drive to make DSC appeal to muggles). If anything 09 did its job of getting Trek out of the rut it had got into by the point of TATV - it got Star Trek moving again, so in that sense it didn’t do any harm.

I have to slightly disagree here. I think if the creators were that blown away by the Kelvin-timeline Trek - then we would have gotten Kelvin Trek on television. Around the time the movies were still hot.

I think this has much more to do with the rise of both streaming and genre television. In the era of streaming, it's much easier to get even into older shows like it was back then when you had to wait for re-runs. Then the pure amount of content would have seemed overwhelming, and hard to get into. But if you can watch whatever you want whenever you like, it's much easier to rewatch old shows. And the massive amount of content is suddenly a plus, not a deterrence.

Also, you can't forget just how good the average of Trek is - it is still comparable to what is a lot of "peak" television nowadays. And you don't have to wait for new episodes!

Superheroes and sci-fi simply was much more niché back in the day. Now genre is mainstream. And in regards of sheer volume, Star Trek is king of genre! I think it was said multiple times, the decision for a new streaming Trek show was made on the success of streaming of old Trek.

I think you and I would agree that the direction ST09 set for Star Trek wasn’t the preferred direction - but it looks like we’re stuck with it. The philosophical question is “is having DSC better than no Star Trek at all”? At present I’m tempted to answer “yes” because if there is any Trek at all there is always the possibility for it to get better.

I think the direction of ST09 was a natural one. IMO, it's almost absurd how similar the Kelvin timeline movies and late Enterprise are! The aesthetics, the props, the visuals, everything. The only truly Kelvin-thing I see is the bridge window and the super-sizing of starships.

Regarding everything else, you can make a very straight and clear line from Voyager to Enterprise to the JJTrek movies to Discovery, without actually that many noticeable breaks.

I think that look is just the logical conclusion if you want to return to the more adventurous style of TOS with modern production values and styles. And that was IMO a logical continuation after the more cerebral TNG era ran it's course, and started way back at the end of the Berman-era. But I wouldn't actually be surprised to see more and more throwbacks to early Berman-era Trek creeping more and more into modern Trek, the more 90s nostalgia sets in and people want a break from the constant phaser action that has shaped the last few iterations of Trek.

 

[Mudd]

JJTrek is great. So far, STD is nothing.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

we would have gotten Kelvin Trek on television. Around the time the movies were still hot.

I wonder whether it had to do with licensing and whatnot? It is surprising that we didn’t get a Kelvin tv show straight away - but I think your point below explains why:

the rise of both streaming and genre television.

Perhaps there wasn’t the potential for financial return for Trek on telly in 09 since streaming was in its infancy.

it's almost absurd how similar the Kelvin timeline movies and late Enterprise are! The aesthetics, the props, the visuals, everything.

I don’t see it, but I’ve honestly not thought about that before. I may have to have a rewatch of some stuff

I wouldn't actually be surprised to see more and more throwbacks to early Berman-era Trek creeping more and more into modern Trek, the more 90s nostalgia sets in and people want a break from the constant phaser action that has shaped the last few iterations of Trek.

Well if the Orville is anything to go by you might be right...

In reality I’d have thought (given the likely target age of CBS’s viewers for DSC who I’m assuming are in the money-earning demographic and so can pay for all access) that there would be a greater nostalgia for 90s Trek (because it would be the Trek of childhood) than 60s Trek...

 

[Belz...]

As a follow up to my earlier question about the Phase II Enterprise being used on Discovery; how would you folks have reacted if somehow they had used Vektor's 2007/2009 design for 1701 instead:

https://imgur.com/a/1mAghnU

It's pretty damned close to the original, while being detailed and cinematic enough for all periods, and seem to me to avoid looking too 60s. A bit of a perfect showing by Jason Lee there.

 

[Longinus]

Apart the pylons being angled backwards, Vektor's Enterprise is pretty much perfect. It is the sort of update I wanted to see.

 

[fireproof78]

As a follow up to my earlier question about the Phase II Enterprise being used on Discovery; how would you folks have reacted if somehow they had used Vektor's 2007/2009 design for 1701 instead:

https://imgur.com/a/1mAghnU

It's pretty damned close to the original, while being detailed and cinematic enough for all periods, and seem to me to avoid looking too 60s. A bit of a perfect showing by Jason Lee there.

I don't like the pylons or the coloring but other than that it would be acceptable.

 

[Belz...]

Personally I think angling the pylons solves the issues with them I mentioned a few days back quite nicely.