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USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

Whats the use of a Bridge Window in a situation where the Sensors went offline? You can't see down, there is the saucer blocking the view. Upwards and sidewards you have a limited angle, you can't see whats in your back. In a situation like the Battle in the Mutara Nebula, the window is useless until the enemy approaches slowly and directly from the front or some degrees to the left/right and up.
Exactly. You’d need to be in a spherical transparent aluminium bubble for it to be an advantage. A window is neither use nor ornament without sensors.
 
Whats the use of a Bridge Window in a situation where the Sensors went offline? You can't see down, there is the saucer blocking the view. Upwards and sidewards you have a limited angle, you can't see whats in your back. In a situation like the Battle in the Mutara Nebula, the window is useless until the enemy approaches slowly and directly from the front or some degrees to the left/right and up.
Limited strategic value is not negative value.
 
Whats the use of a Bridge Window in a situation where the Sensors went offline? You can't see down, there is the saucer blocking the view. Upwards and sidewards you have a limited angle, you can't see whats in your back. In a situation like the Battle in the Mutara Nebula, the window is useless until the enemy approaches slowly and directly from the front or some degrees to the left/right and up.
What use is a view screen when sensors go down?
 
Hey, @Belz brought up World War II analogies to support his argument that Section 31's attitudes and actions on DS9 were defensible... to wit, that societies built on principles of democracy and human rights need to violate those principles to defeat enemies. I'm simply pointing out how and why those analogies don't hold up, and don't support that argument. It's completely on-topic. (Okay, not exactly on this thread's original topic, but it's Trek-relevant.)

I did, but surely this wasn't a blank check to go completely off script. It was a short example to show that in reality, sometimes you compromise your principles in order to save them, and that this is exactly what DS9 showed us in the Star Trek universe.
 
OK. I'm a Klingon captain (who can actually speak)

Ah, but can you speak intelligibly?

With the newest, clear, HD photos of the Enterprise now out...

I can't wait for Bernd Schneider to have even more 3AM meltdowns on EAS. I've found that the longer Discovery and the JJ-Verse goes on, the more foaming mouth, flaming anger, spittle flinging his rants become.

I like Bernd but, he's the posterchild for the saying that no one hates Star Trek like Star Trek fans do.
 
Ah, but can you speak intelligibly?



I like Bernd but, he's the posterchild for the saying that no one hates Star Trek like Star Trek fans do.
I used to spend hours on his site..especially in the dark days after Nemesis..but the dude started spinning in 2009 with JJTrek and he's just been getting further and further out there. He's become the Star Trek fandom version of the crazy old man, yelling at clouds and kids to get off his property while vacuuming the lawn.
 
Great. You've got a bloody great window in front of you. Can you see something ten-thousand kilometres away unaided? Two-thousand? Blimey, you'd have to get within 10 kilometres and be the size of Wembley Stadium before I could catch a glimpse. A window gains you nothing, besides telling you there's space a kilometre ahead.

So, yeah. Put a big bloody window on the bridge. It's completely impracticable. It serves no purpose over a viewscreen that gets feeds from a myriad of high-resolution cameras. But it looks kewl. Kewl is everything, right? Kewl bridge window. Bollocks.
 
You know what? We're just a few hours removed from Star Trek going full-course awesome sauce.

This entire thread/debate comes off as even more nonsensically absurd than I already thought it was.

I'm done.
 
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hey maybe that workbee is changing the enterprise's bussard from pink to red.
 
Apologies that my criticism came across as mockery - it was not intended as such.

And I actually discounted the mutara nebula instance as it’s already been discussed here at length and I remain unconvinced that the window would have helped at all in all that purple fog when the reliant would have been a long way away from the Enterprise to be seen easily with the naked eye.

But I don’t recall a starfleet ship that wasn’t a shuttle or runabout that had a bridge window before the reboot by self professed “Star Wars Guy” JJ Abrams.
So why do shuttles and runabouts have them?

Ultimately, it will come down to my personal approach to psychology (humans like windows) and the fact that a neutral result of having a window means that there might be times when it could be beneficial, limited though they may be.

And why does Abrams get mocked constantly? He made one of the most successful films in franchise history and he still gets berated. :brickwall:
Since that distortion was on the viewscreen (not out a porthole) the obvious conclusion is that the ship’s sensors highlighted something that made the ship invisible *to the naked eye*
It was not obvious to me, though I see the argument. In any case, I stand by my position, and am highly amazed by the level of vitriol directed at such a simple concept. :shrug:
it’s a post-2009 Star Wars thing. Good for JJ :lol:
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So why do shuttles and runabouts have them?
That’s a good question now that you mention it. Off the top of my head I don’t know - I’ll have to give that some thought.

And why does Abrams get mocked constantly? He made one of the most successful films in franchise history and he still gets berated. :brickwall:
I hope you’re not talking about what I’ve said about JJ when you say mockery and being berated. I have no ill will towards Abrams at all - I simply point out that he’s a big Star Wars fan - which he’s said himself - and I think we can see those influences in the 2009 reboot. I actually liked ST2009 - I wasn’t a fan of everything in the reboot universe but it’s a great film.

It was not obvious to me, though I see the argument. In any case, I stand by my position, and am highly amazed by the level of vitriol directed at such a simple concept. :shrug:
Fair enough :) besides - there’s no evidence that the viewscreen wasn’t in “no filter” mode when they saw the BoP distortion - so it may well have been just like looking out a window.

I must admit I’ve seen more passionate reactions than my own to the viewscreen window, but I hope mine don’t come across as vitriolic.

I can see the advantages of it from a televisual point of view - maybe even a dramatic one. I’m not convinced from an in-universe perspective that a window makes sense, but who cares, I’m on the losing side since they already put it in the show :lol:

Ultimately I just think it was an unnecessary change that was brought about by a director who I believe was influenced by Star Wars... which also ultimately didn’t do the Star Trek franchise any harm. So it is what it is.

If you keep banging your head against a brick wall like that you’ll end up needing medical attention. And I’m not that kind of doctor. Alls i have to hand is this mark 1 EMH
 
My guess is the Enterprise shot at the end of Season 1 was rushed, and perhaps the model wasn't even 100% finished. That's why they bathed it in blue lens flare, perhaps. The ship CG in Season 2 is way better.
Well, it had bloody well unfuck the crap they dished up as the Discoprise because that was awful.

Waiting for Tuskin38 to tell me I'm wrong in five, four, three, two, one... :rolleyes:
 
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