That is what a template is. The general design. You know? The one they've copied for fifty years. Seems to me there was something right to the design. Something... timeless...
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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That is what a template is. The general design. You know? The one they've copied for fifty years. Seems to me there was something right to the design. Something... timeless...
I like the design of the TOS Enterprise. It's probably my favourite ship from the Era.
Well the DSC Enterprise uses that template, so I don't know what the problem is.
Yup.
In fact, the reason why they updated it wasn't because they thought it would change in-universe, but because it would look terrible in a motion picture. Every single Starfleet ship since 1979 has had those details and design philosophies.
So much so, that they are still selling models of it fifty years later.
How is that a counter-argument? What does selling toys about a classic sci-fi ship have to do with how believable said design is in a modern show?
Nothing, that's why. You're desperately trying to find excuses to keep disagreeing. We get it, you love the original design. Don't we all? But loving it doesn't mean we should be blinded to its faults in the modern age.
Is that what you think is going on? As I noted before, saying that the TOS ship doesn't hold up to modern standards doesn't mean it wasn't revolutionary or that it doesn't have cultural significance. If you think the two are the same, then you simply don't understand either of those arguments.
Nice to see the ship in those situations, but it just proves the TMP designers right.
If it's timeless, how come we keep telling you that it screams "1960s"? How come they updated immediately when they had the chance for Phase II? This is nostalgia speaking, nothing more.
That is such a silly argument. BillJ brought it up as well, but it's garbage. That it was the source of all subsequent Trek has no bearing on whether it holds up for a modern show. So why bring it up?
It's interesting that they think Enterprise needs more detail than its 60s counterpart, but they make the phasers have less detail than the originals.
The Discovery phasers almost look more like the old Remco toy phaser of the 70s, than they do the originals.
I can just see that triad on the front of the Discovery phaser projecting the Enterprise, Klingon cruiser, and UFO on the wall, depending on rotation....no discs needed.
Time to ret-con the toy!
The Discovery phasers almost look more like the old Remco toy phaser of the 70s, than they do the originals.
I can just see that triad on the front of the Discovery phaser projecting the Enterprise, Klingon cruiser, and UFO on the wall, depending on rotation....no discs needed.
Time to ret-con the toy!
Can we talk about which one is in the Smithsonian?
That's the trouble though: the kids who don't think that the original Enterprise is a brilliant, timeless, and deservedly popular design tend to not be talking about the design at all, but rather the production values of the 60s as seen with 2018 perspective.
The Kelvin Enterprise maintains much more of the design aesthetic than the DSC Enterprise. It's smooth, bright, clean, and generally optimistic looking. The DSC Enterprise is lumpy, dark, covered in extraneous detail, and generally more retro looking than the TOS Enterprise, but yes, the shapes are kinda sorta closer to TOS if you squint.
All this shows is how easy it is to mix up Design with Production and Aesthetics.
It's interesting that they think Enterprise needs more detail than its 60s counterpart, but they make the phasers have less detail than the originals.
The Discovery phasers almost look more like the old Remco toy phaser of the 70s, than they do the originals.
I can just see that triad on the front of the Discovery phaser projecting the Enterprise, Klingon cruiser, and UFO on the wall, depending on rotation....no discs needed.
Time to ret-con the toy!
I'm seeing more detail here. Look at the grip, and the muzzle.
The Wright Flyer is there too, but planes don't look like that anymore.
What a load of crap. There aren't enough Trek fans to keep the franchise afloat, which is why Enterprise was canceled and the reboot happened. We're a long ways from TNG's peak ratings.
A tiny minority. There are barely enough to keep this forum alive, to say nothing about fueling a multimillion dollar franchise.
No one is. The level of argument in this thread is apalling.
See what I mean? What does this have to do with anything?
"The original Enterprise is a cultural icon" is not as blank check to support any argument you agree with.
I think you need your rose tinted glasses checked.
No.
I agree. While it's no reflection on my opinion of the films (I can enjoy a film regardless of what a spaceship in that film looks like), I think the Kelvinverse design is very unattractive. The DSC version of the Enterprise, on the other hand, is gorgeous and appears far more faithful to the original design.
Yes, even if it has a giant window on the bridge that hopefully they installed curtains and blinds for as well.
Selectively cropping my quoted text doesn't change the content. I'm not rosy for the Kelvin movies. At all. Not a fan. But I can acknowledge good work, and they certainly carried on the smooth, bright, clean, and generally optimistic looking aesthetic of the TOS and TMP designs. DSC is a darker (except for the everpresent glowing-space), lumpier, less optimistic show, and they made their Enterprise match that aesthetic. It's stark, which is what they were aiming for, so good on them.
Season 2 isn't going to be.
Here's the thing:
Show [most] people a picture of any of the following:
Connie
Connie-R
DSConnie
Konnie
And they will likely instantly identify it as the Enterprise.
The argument ends there.
Show [most] people a picture of any of the following:
Connie
Connie-R
DSConnie
Konnie
And they will likely instantly identify it as the Enterprise.
The argument ends there.
Well, the middle one is the original, right? So that would be the more faithful of the two?The DSC one is clearly the most faithful of the three. Just look at the nacelles and heull on the Kelvin one.
It's the original, so it can't be faithful since it isn't trying to be faithful.
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