USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Gonzo]

The only group I've seen come close are "fans" of the Disney amusement parks.

I would say Star Wars fans should be included, for a very long time they never had anything to really talk about except when the prequel trilogy came out.

They certainly do now with the new films.

Funny really some are now saying the prequel films and Jar Jar Binks weren't that bad after watching The Force Awakens and especially The Last Jedi.

 

[PixelMagic]

Funny really some are now saying the prequel films and Jar Jar Binks weren't that bad after watching The Force Awakens and especially The Last Jedi.

The prequels are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but at least they had that...imagination. They tried new things, and introduced new concepts, even if they failed at execution.

Force Awakens wasn't bad, but it really didn't bring anything new to the table at all, and felt like already covered ground. The Last Jedi was just fucking boring.

 

[Jadeb]

Some striking visuals, though.

 

[Gonzo]

The prequels are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but at least they had that...imagination. They tried new things, and introduced new concepts, even if they failed at execution.

Force Awakens wasn't bad, but it really didn't bring anything new to the table at all, and felt like already covered ground. The Last Jedi was just fucking boring.

I just wonder who on earth thought it would be a good idea to make Anakin and then Kylo Ren so bloody over the top when Sidious and Vader were brilliant.

There was no need.

I will stop here as its not really the place for it.

 

[PixelMagic]

Some striking visuals, though.

That's like an argument for dating a beautiful woman with a shit personality. Doesn't really work once the wow of the visual fades.

 

[Mudd]

That's like an argument for dating a beautiful woman with a shit personality.

Uh, what's your point?

 

[Mudd]

I think, back in the day, the consesus was not to take the official numbers at face value, but with a grain of salt to give a broad range of the ship.

Nope. Back in the day the consensus was that Franz Joseph and Lincoln Enterprises should take all our money.

 

[ITDUDE]

That's like an argument for dating a beautiful woman with a shit personality. Doesn't really work once the wow of the visual fades.

So basically: Star Wars is the girl you date, Star Trek is the girl you marry.
Sounds about right.
In this analogy STD is that girl next door with great personality that just tries so hard to look pretty that she looses some of her great personality but also overdoes the make up and ends up looking worse (e.g. blue smudges everywhere).

 

[Rahul]

So basically: Star Wars is the girl you date, Star Trek is the girl you marry.
Sounds about right.
In this analogy STD is that girl next door with great personality that just tries so hard to look pretty that she looses some of her great personality but also overdoes the make up and ends up looking worse (e.g. blue smudges everywhere).

I just read this as DIS being the girl that "overdosed", and kind of agreed there for a second before I noticed my mistake...

 

[Mudd]

STD is the person - let's not gender this, awright? - that you wake up next to and whose name you don't know.

 

[PixelMagic]

Uh, what's your point?

The point is neat visuals are not a reason to sit through a shit film.

 

[AlanC9]

Which film is the shit film, again? I'm completely losing the thread here.

 

[Myko]

All of them.

 

[Belz...]

The way I read it, he denied both your hypothesis and your consequent.

Oops.

I wonder if he really thinks that a 6m long Enterprise wouldn't be cramped for 400 people.

Exactly so.

How many syllables are required in order to reject a silly two-sentence assertion?

See above. What's silly is your understanding of basic logic. The show and its story have requirements of size. If the ship is too small for that, it'll end up looking cramped. That's what I said, and that's what you disagreed with, which makes your post stupid beyond belief.

DIS first season was pretty weak. Not exactly bad, it's still one of the better shows around. But it was massively disappointing compared to the expectations a series with "Star Trek" in the title awakens.

That sounds contradictory. If it's one of the better shows around, and considering the massive improvement in quality in television shows since the 90s, how can it be weak? And weak compared to what? TNG? DS9? VOY? Those had pretty bad first seasons.

 

[ITDUDE]

Which film is the shit film, again? I'm completely losing the thread here.

Shit is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Tuskin38]

Shit is in the eye of the beholder.

That's how you get pink eye.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I wonder if he really thinks that a 6m long Enterprise wouldn't be cramped for 400 people.



See above. What's silly is your understanding of basic logic. The show and its story have requirements of size. If the ship is too small for that, it'll end up looking cramped. That's what I said, and that's what you disagreed with, which makes your post stupid beyond belief.

My advice would be: meditate on the difference between hypothesis, consequent, and the whole logical implication, and meditate on what @Serveaux actually denied. You might find that you've just misunderstood what was said.

 

[cooleddie74]

STD is the person - let's not gender this, awright? - that you wake up next to and whose name you don't know.

All the drinking the night before can't make the new Klingons and their ships worth going to bed with.

 

[Belz...]

My advice would be: meditate on the difference between hypothesis, consequent, and the whole logical implication, and meditate on what @Serveaux actually denied. You might find that you've just misunderstood what was said.

Meditation is for people who can't do logic.

I said "Except that if the ship's too small for the needs of the design it just looks cramped."
And he said "No, it isn't and doesn't."

He's both saying no to a hypothetical, which makes no sense, and then he's denying that the conclusion follows from the premise, which is insane.

If he's instead simply saying that the ship isn't too small, that was a terrible way to word it, which is odd considering his following post about how many words are necessary to make his point (the answer being: one fewer, apparently). But in addition, he's in no position to make that determination.

 

[starsuperion]

Sure, that stuff is fine. I'm talking about people who let a ship that's 2500ft or has a bridge window ruin the entire experience for them. Yeah, ship trivia can be fun, and it's enjoyable. It's the belly aching over ship lengths and bridge windows that absolutely perplexes me. I mean, it actively makes people ANGRY. Like angry over the length of a fictional ship? What?

Nah, the only legitimate reason to dislike the program is the acting, writing, or dialogue. the ships, they are tools only, but realism should be the goal if even in a fictional series. I think the 25% rule can explain any differences, once that came to light I now see STD as simply an alternative time line, Regardless of what CBS says, as they are motivated by fan retention to keep the series profitable, I am sure they don't want to admit that it's not in the prime timeline. It wouldn't make business sense if they did.. lie about it. Cover it up. But don't ever admit their series is what it actually is, lest they lose viewership and have to face a dwindling audience should that admission affect the show. Some may drop it because of just that, some may just not watch the 2nd season, some may be happy about the admission. Some may not care. Some may not like the admission and still watch. It's pretty up in the air right now I suppose. Throwing the ole 1701 in for the fans may help, but then again it may be a reason some are not happy. I guess without real ratings to judge, there's no way of knowing if the success of the series in the end will give the producers cause to continue or to cancel. I'm just disappointed with it personally, and after having seen one redesign of the 1701 from the Kelvin, I am not really all that hyped either way on an STD ver.. I could care less. wonky, low budget, retro and vintage as it was, the 1701 original and the refit are still favs of mine over all others.