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Unseen TOS....

You might want to check this, but I think the story above was first recounted in “The Making on Star Trek”, in which case Michael McMaster probably got D-7 from there. And from him and those seminal blueprints it caught on.

Also, according to this rather complete rendering of the design, the D-7 as we knew it was fully imagined and visualized by November 1967, so well before the third season. Early second season, in fact. It is arguable that this design was on the board during the production and possibly even planning of TTWT.

https://www.tumblr.com/startrekships/148692058451/klingon-battle-cruiser-original-design-by-matt
If so, then accepting the conceit of TOS getting a bit more time and money then the D7 miniature just might have been constructed for TTWT. If so then that solves the problem.

So Jefferies had plans in hand, but they couldn’t afford to build it at the time? Bummer.
 
The production of season 2 ran from May of 1967 until January of 1968 and The Trouble with Tribbles itself was filmed in August of 1967, well before the time MJ spent designing the D7 at home in November.
So the design was finalized very late into season 2 from a production point of view.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Trouble_with_Tribbles_(episode)#Production_timeline
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/D7_class_model#Design
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BTW, does anyone have the page number in TMOST where that GR story about the D7 appears? I have that book and I can't seem to find it in there.
Could it be from one of the David Gerrold books instead? Because I have not owned any of those since the 70s.
(Another reason I ask is that the story says that Shatner and Nimoy were arguing about the D6/D7 interiors and that probably only works if they are filming The Enterprise Incident, a third season episode beyond the scope of TMOST.)

Never mind, it's at the end on Chapter 7, an entire page of GR's all-caps quote. Must have skipped that.
 
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The production of season 2 ran from May of 1967 until January of 1968 and The Trouble with Tribbles itself was filmed in August of 1967, well before the time MJ spent designing the D7 at home in November.
So the design was finalized very late into season 2 from a production point of view.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Trouble_with_Tribbles_(episode)#Production_timeline
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/D7_class_model#Design
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Never mind, it's at the end on Chapter 7, an entire page of GR's all-caps quote. Must have skipped that.
Back to the drawing board unless we accept the idea MJ could have done it 3-4 months earlier.

But we’re getting ahead of ourselves. I’m still working out stuff in Season 1. Season 2 hasn’t happened yet.
 
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I don’t think the twenty-some sketches leading up to the November 20 one are dated, so we don’t know how long he was working on this. It could have been over the course of a week, a month, or off and on over the course of a year. There was at least some need for a Klingon design in multiple episodes going back to the late first season. He was no doubt thinking about it.
 
From the Memory Alpha article:
"The D7-class studio model was originally designed by Matt Jefferies with initial input from friend and AMT account manager Stephen Edward Poe, and he needed about two months from start to final design sketch."

Assuming that the two month figure is correct*, then he started designing it a month after TTWT wrapped. And the fact that AMT was involved suggests that the D7 was more about selling model kits than filming episodes.

*(Yeah, I know, I'd like to see which of the sources—both listed and embedded—that data point comes from as well.)
 
“And the fact that AMT was involved suggests that the D7 was more about selling model kits than filming episodes.”

Why would you make that conclusion? AMT was involved in the design and building of the shuttlecraft, and are you saying that also was done to sell model kits more than filming episodes? The scripts had mentioned Klingon ships multiple times. Do you think maybe, just maybe, Jefferies was designing the Klingon ship to fulfill what writers kept mentioning? And that AMT was involved to cut production costs, as was the story with Galileo?
 
AMT helped with the Galileo too?

Huh... this is strange to me, as the AMT D-7 kit was probably the most accurate of the whole bunch to its studio original, due to their involvement. The Galileo, along with all the other kits, were rife with errors and had massive issues with accuracy. The Galileo kit alone had the wrong roof design, incorrect rear-facing impulse area, incorrect landing struts & nacelles, etc., and the interior details were also quite abysmal. Why would they do so well with the D-7 and drop the ball on the Galileo so horribly? This would actually be a strong indicator that simply selling models was not high on their list of priorities.

Is this like the Eaglemoss XL Connie refit model, I wonder, where the egregious errors in the primary hull design made it look like it was done by a gaggle of summer interns who were incapable of heeding over four decades of volumes of source material, yet the XL Reliant was damn-near spot-on and looked like it was done by actual professionals?
 
Well, the shuttle kit wasn't done until 1974, maybe '75. By that point there could have been a different team at AMT, both artisans and management. I mean, the K-7 station, the exploration set and the bridge diorama were all rife with inaccuracies. Management may have been of the mindset of "Let's pump out these profitable 'tie-ins'," and the sculptors weren't given the best reference material. Or, if they were, the "boys upstairs" may have insisted upon compromises, cost cutting factors that resulted in "off model" models.

Just wild-a$$$ supposition on my part, no memos or internal documents to back my thoughts.
 
Why would they do so well with the D-7 and drop the ball on the Galileo so horribly?
The D7 filming model apparently was one of two built by AMT to make molds that MJ repurposed. That's why it is as accurate as it is.

Why would you make that conclusion?
Because AMT was a business and they're not going to be footing the bill for the model unless there is money to be made on their end.

Do you think maybe, just maybe, Jefferies was designing the Klingon ship to fulfill what writers kept mentioning?
Nope. Jefferies himself said that it was "strictly an extra-curricular activity on [his] part" that he did at home "because there was neither the time nor the money allowance to do it at the studio." I don't think he was the type to waste time on projects he knew the studio could never afford. So I think it is only when the AMT deal happened that he actually did anything. Hence the two month design time.

(and an aside: Could you learn to use the quote function of the board software like everyone else so peeps know when you've replied to them?)
 
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“Could you learn to use the quote function of the board software like everyone else so peeps know when you've replied to them?”

What makes you think I have not in over twenty years on this board “learned” how to use the quote function, you condescending rube? Perhaps you could learn to adapt to the quaint affectations of a world that does not deign to remake itself to your lazy predilections. I use the quote function when I think a statement is worthy of having attention drawn to it, and not when I think it is only worthy of giving scant attention.

As for your historical ruminations re Matt Jefferies, I call bullshit. The Star Trek production had a history with AMT both through Poe and the shuttlecraft project. It doesn’t matter whether AMT came to them with the idea of doing a Klingon ship if the concern of Jefferies and the production was to get a filming model. The fact that what they got was the master for the kit is irrelevant in light of all the quotes from Jefferies concerning why he designed it the way he did. If it was going to be just a kit, any kit, he could have given them the Leif Ericson then and there. That one truly was done for a kit and only for a kit. But instead, Jefferies went to great lengths to make the ship fit what the writers were writing and the needs of the production, as he stated in a contemporary interview:

…"had to design a ship that would be instantly recognizable as an enemy ship, especially for a flash cut. There had to be no way it could be mistaken for our guys. It had to look threatening, even vicious."

"We had already established the essential character of the Klingons, so we had really more to draw on in background than we originally had on the Enterprise. The Klingon character was different and clearly defined in several scripts. We tried to keep some of that character in the design of the ship – cold and, in a sense, vicious. We tried to get into it some of the qualities of a manta ray, shark, or bird of prey, because the Klingons follow that general feeling. Another requirement was that we had to get a feeling their ships were on a par with the starships in equipment, power, size etc. After many, many sketches and many evenings, it finally evolved. Everyone liked it, and that's what we built.

It is only then that he says the line you quote, that “It was strictly an extra-curricular activity on my part.” Because, as the Memory Alpha article goes on to recount, he was hiding the agreement with AMT. Why? Because of the same union requirements that had gotten them in trouble when they used Wah Chang. But again, the fact that agreement existed says nothing about why the Star Trek production wanted that model and were willing to go to the risk. Unless you can pull some quotes out of the air showing how Jefferies and Roddenberry were getting kickbacks from AMT for kits sold, and that that was why they paid for SFX of a Klingon ship, then there is no evidence the Klingon model was not procured for the same reason the shuttlecraft was (or the Romulan bird of prey, for that matter)- for the production. And even if it ends up being shown there were kickbacks, does that somehow remove any chance that what Matt Jefferies recounted was true and that the production was part of the calculus?

Oh, and an aside- for future use note where I use the quote function and where I don’t. It isn’t done to ring a notification bell but rather, for emphasis where I want to show, you know, emphasis.
 
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Knock it off, guys. No reason at all to get personal or tell others to use board functions in a particular way. Thank you.
 
If we adopt the conceit that TOS had a bit more time and money I think we can also assume that Jefferies could thus think he had the means to get a Klingon battle cruiser miniature designed and built for use during the second season. So, whether AMT pays for it or not, the D7 could conceivable be designed and built earlier and thus be available for TTWT.
 
the D7 could conceivable be designed and built earlier and thus be available for TTWT.

Or even earlier... "Errand of Mercy" would've seen various types of Klingon warships from the initial warship at the beginning of the episode to the eight ships that captured Organia and the various ships in the Klingon fleet at the end of the episode.
 
Or even earlier... "Errand of Mercy" would've seen various types of Klingon warships from the initial warship at the beginning of the episode to the eight ships that captured Organia and the various ships in the Klingon fleet at the end of the episode.
“Errand Of Mercy” was the first episode to feature the Klingons. And even with a bit more time and money I seriously doubt they would have blown their budget to physically build numerous Klingon miniatures. Thats totally unrealistic—even if they had had an inkling of wanting to revisit the Klingons, assuming they were even renewed for a second season.
 
“Errand Of Mercy” was the first episode to feature the Klingons. And even with a bit more time and money I seriously doubt they would have blown their budget to physically build numerous Klingon miniatures. Thats totally unrealistic—even if they had had an inkling of wanting to revisit the Klingons, assuming they were even renewed for a second season.

You did say they would have a "bit more of time and money". Combine that with their resourcefulness then I would think they could build a battlecruiser (from AMT), and one or two smaller ships meant to be viewed at a distance. If they use the same technique of copy+pasting the Enterprise into a fleet of ships in "The Ultimate Computer" for the Klingon fleet then you've got the shots you need. Very much in the realm of possibility, IMHO.
 
“Errand Of Mercy” was the first episode to feature the Klingons. And even with a bit more time and money I seriously doubt they would have blown their budget to physically build numerous Klingon miniatures. Thats totally unrealistic—even if they had had an inkling of wanting to revisit the Klingons, assuming they were even renewed for a second season.

I think that’s true- and showing multiple ships together would be contrary to the style they had established. I don’t think they ever showed more than one ship in a single shot save in “Space Seed” and “Ultimate Computer”. For whatever reason, that rings true to me. Space is immense. Why would ships that can cover light years in minutes need to be within shouting distance? If anything, that would elevate their risk, as was shown in UC.
 
As for the shuttle model--it looks more boxy than it is, especially up top.

The Enterprise kit nacelles didn't droop so much as they were flush with the secondary hull as if it was a cylinder.

I wonder if there were any discussions on pantographing the 3-footer...the involvement on D-7 from the start was why that was so good.
 
"I don’t think they ever showed more than one ship in a single shot save in “Space Seed” and “Ultimate Computer”."

There is also the very first episode, "The Corbomite Maneuver". And "The Doomsday Machine", "The Omega Glory", "The Enterprise Incident", "The Tholian Web" and "For The World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky".
 
"I don’t think they ever showed more than one ship in a single shot save in “Space Seed” and “Ultimate Computer”."

There is also the very first episode, "The Corbomite Maneuver". And "The Doomsday Machine", "The Omega Glory", "The Enterprise Incident", "The Tholian Web" and "For The World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky".

I failed to be clear- Those are cases of interception and/or attack. I was talking about ships flying in close formation that are endangered by being closely grouped. “Space Seed” I guess is arguably both. “The Omega Glory” is defintely the kind of thing I meant. "For The World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" Is definitely a kind of formation but the ship is a faux asteroid, so it could be orbiting it. That’s also the case with “Corbomite Maneuver” which also involves a capture//attack. But your point is well taken from the perspective of what I wrote.
 
TOS rarely showed two ships in the same frame and even more rarely showed more than two. Many of those shots were photographic trickery to show more than one in the same frame. Rarest were two actual miniatures photographed together—the Enterprise and Botany Bay are the prime example.

Showing multiple miniatures close together is tricky as you should have them in the same scale. Or you use the right angles to make them appear of different size from each. And thats just with two miniatures. More than two and you’re probably resorting to combine multiple exposures together, and everything has to line up properly.

Since ships in space are usually going to be very far apart then not showing ships in the same frame underlines the idea of great distance between the different ships. A lot of sci-fi, and particularly later Trek, ignored this by filling the screen with ships while dialogue referenced high speeds and great distances during combat—all for the sake of dramatic eye candy, but totalling underming any sense of credibility.

So TOS’ limitations usually worked in its favour.
 
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