Unpopular Trek Opinions — What Are Yours?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Michael, Mar 22, 2010.

  1. flandry84

    flandry84 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jun 24, 2007
    Sunshine cottage,Lollipop lane,Latveria
    I despise Worf.
    IMO the guy is a murderer twice over and has no place in Starfleet.
    Would Riker have gotten away with beaming over to a Klingon ship and killing a guy with a sword,no matter the provocation?
    Would Sisko or O'Brien get away with that whole blood transfusion fiasco?
    And please,that "alien culture/outlook" argument is the most morally bankrupt horse hockey I've ever heard.
  2. DevilEyes

    DevilEyes Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 9, 2009
    basking in the warmth of the Fire Caves
    1. He was a subject of the Klingon Empire, killing a Klingon on a Klingon ship according to Klingon laws.
    Worf obviously can't go around killing other people who aren't Klingons and don't accept Klingon rules and traditions, but that doesn't apply to another Klingon who does accept them.

    What do you think humans should do, try to force their own morality on the rest of the universe?

    Even though Worf is also - I presume - Federation citizen, his action is not a crime by Klingon laws, so I don't see how or why he would be prosecuted in a Federation court.

    Now, Worf is also a Starleet officer, so they could throw him out, sending a message that a Starfleet member from a non-Federation world must only respect Federation laws, but obviously they didn't think that Starfleet should adopt this attitude.

    2. I don't think that Starfleet has any right to force ANYONE to give their blood against their will. Having the right to make decisions about one's own body is a basic human right, which I presume still exists in Earth at least, if not in Federation at large. Nobody could or should have the right to force O'Brien or Sisko to give their blood against their will. I'm pretty sure that would be illegal in most countries today.

    I'm not the biggest fan of Worf, BTW, but that's because he can be so annoying with his talk about Honor. But the two stories above were among his most interesting moments, which made him an interesting on TNG because he wasn't as bland, perfectly nice and PC as the rest of them.
  3. xortex

    xortex Commodore Commodore

    Apr 25, 2006
    Staten Island, NY
    Man, people have alot to say on this subject and I agree with most all of it.
    Picard was a lifeless dullard
    Janeway should have been shot for the mistake she made stranding the crew there.
    TWOK is boring
    Voyager had many good stories
    Q should have been treated better and studied.
    T'Pol was boring
  4. Tiberius

    Tiberius Commodore Commodore

    Sep 28, 2005
    If I recall correctly, he got away with beaming aboard an Acamarian ship and murdering one of the Sovereign's staff in front of her.
  5. Shazam!

    Shazam! Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Feb 22, 2006
    I thought the Doc being the best thing on Voyager was a given?
  6. Zombie Cheerleader

    Zombie Cheerleader JJ Abraaaaains Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Nerys Myk
    1) Enterprise was a good show

    2) ENT had better continuty with TOS than TOS had with TOS.

    3) The first two seasons of ENT are better than people give them credit for and more like TOS.

    4) TNG had maybe three good seasons

    5) DS9 is a good show but not a good Star Trek show

    6) Alternative Factor is worse than Way To Eden and Spock's Brain combined.
  7. DevilEyes

    DevilEyes Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 9, 2009
    basking in the warmth of the Fire Caves
    This thread is a good thread, but it is not a good Trek BBS thread.

  8. Zombie Cheerleader

    Zombie Cheerleader JJ Abraaaaains Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Nerys Myk
    DS9 got better when they added a ship.
  9. The Orange Monster

    The Orange Monster Vice Admiral Admiral

    Mar 30, 2006
    ^not exacty unpopular opinion. Many feel it started to get better around the time the Defiant showed up, regardless of whether it had anything to do with the ship or not.
  10. T'Girl

    T'Girl Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 20, 2009
    Riker also "got away with" beaming down to a planet and killing his clone in cold blood. At least Worf's opponent had a fighting chance to defend himself, Riker killed a unconscious victim.

    How's this for a "Unpopular Trek Opinion," Riker's decision to kill the Riker clone was the most morally indefensible action on Riker's part in the entire lifetime of the character. On Dr. Pulaski's part too. The two clones (and the tanks they were in) could have been taken to the Enterprise and been allowed to mature and live.

    No, the DNA of Riker and Pulaski shouldn't have been taken, this in it self was morally wrong. But that wasn't the "fault" of the the two clones, they were alive and their deaths were both unnecessary and unconscionable.
  11. flandry84

    flandry84 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jun 24, 2007
    Sunshine cottage,Lollipop lane,Latveria
    Firstly,there is a difference between Riker's killing of Yuta and Worf's killing of Duras(although granted, the Riker sequence was incredibly badly thought out).One action was to stop a murder the other was hot-blooded revenge.Even disregarding a Starfleet code of conduct the "Klingon ship/Klingon rules"argument is pretty weak.Could Bashir murder somebody on Bajor and claim "Bajoran territory/Bajoran rules?
    Secondly,Worf is a Starfleet officer,presumably Starfleet have already demanded and received gentic samples from him on admission to the academy.Where is the difference?

    The clone thing,well I was as disgusted as anyone on that one.
  12. Too Much Fun

    Too Much Fun Commodore Commodore

    Feb 19, 2009
    Some of my unpopular opinions are things I think of as "okay" that other fans praise as "best ever". For example:

    * "In the Pale Moonlight" and "Duet" are overrated. Especially "Duet", in which Kira is grating as hell the whole time and the guest star completely carries the episode on his own.

    * "His Way" is underrated and better than both of those episodes, even though it's light. In general, some of the lighter DS9 episodes are much better than some of the most praised darker and more serious ones. Darker and more serious does not equal better quality. "Trials and Tribble-Ations", "You Are Cordially Invited...", and "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" are also among the best.

    * Garak (and the performance of the actor playing him) is overrated. He has some great moments, but much of the time, the way he talks and his attitude are a pain in the ass.

    Many of my unpopular opinions are things I really love or hate that others feel the opposite about...

    * "Amok Time" is one of the worst episodes of "Star Trek". The performances and characters of all the Vulcans on the planet are terrible. The fight is embarrassingly lame. The fight choreography and overuse of the fight music are laughable, Nimoy's acting on the planet is goofy, and the set of Vulcan looks garish, dull, and stupid. I'm glad it lead to some truly entertaining pop culture parodies, but the source material stinks. The only good part is the scene with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy on the ship at the end. That scene is wonderful and almost saves the episode but can't entirely because it's been so bad up to that point.

    * Jadzia is the best-looking person on DS9 and the most endearing character.

    * The Circle Trilogy and all other episodes focused on the Bajoran religion and/or The Prophets suck.

    * "Turnabout Intruder" is one of the best episodes of "Star Trek" Season 3 and a totally respectable series finale...definitely better than the series finales of "Voyager" and "Enterprise".

    * "Voyager" sucks as a series and should never have been made. All of the characters are boring. Kate Mulgrew is hot and it's charming that Tuvok sounds like Spock, but that doesn't make them good characters. I think the rest of the characters have no redeeming qualities (although I've never seen Kes).

    * The Q episodes are the only good episodes of "Voyager".

    * Seven of Nine is not attractive at all.

    * "Star Trek: First Contact" is the best of all the Star Trek movies, including those based on the original series.

    * "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock" is a boring movie, with only three good parts - the hijacking of the Enterprise, the destruction of the Enterprise, and Spock in the very last scene.

    * Sisko's nervous breakdown towards the end of "Far Beyond the Stars" and his monologue on DS9 shortly after are the absolute worst performances of Avery Brooks on "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine". I don't care if people who have seen a real nervous breakdown find it 'authentic', it still comes across as horribly fake and corny.
  13. The Mirrorball Man

    The Mirrorball Man Vice Admiral Admiral

    Dec 18, 1999
    The original Star Trek has aged much more gracefully than The Next Generation.
  14. Vonstadt

    Vonstadt Captain Captain

    Jan 22, 2003
    Madison Square Garden : Let's Go Rangers!
    I actually thought so too, but some fans I've run into recently seem to think he was lame or annoying. I always thought he was funny, witty and eventually really well devolped.

    I love the episode where he and the new EMH have to defend the Prometheus from a Romulan boarding and eventually save the ship. Even Andy Dick wasn't too annoying in that episode as EMH Mk. II.

    Its among my favorite VOY episodes and I am not a fan of VOY.

  15. Zameaze

    Zameaze Commodore Commodore

    Apr 26, 2009
    Let me have a cup of Earl Grey, hot, and think about that...nope, he was my favorite captain.

    For that...for murdering Tuvix...for making a pact with the Borg.... Do we have sufficient bullets?

    Yeah, kind of.

    Agreed: many good ones and many bad ones.

    I don't know. Still, the crew didn't seem to make much of an effort.

    Now you've gone too far. Don't mess with the eye candy:)
  16. Joeman

    Joeman Captain Captain

    Mar 9, 2010
    I've seen a few people say this. I just can't wrap my brain around it, at all.

    This is definitely an unpopular opinion, and I agree with it to a point. She certainly has an attractive body crammed into that tight suit, but her face trips me out. There's something disturbing going on up there.

    Having made those comments, I have to admit that both of them are still way out of my league. It's a bit funny that I'm criticizing how they look. :cardie:
  17. RyanKCR

    RyanKCR Vice Admiral Admiral

    Mar 26, 2001
    RyanKCR is living here in Allentown
    The clone thing was a statement on the abortion issue: "It's my body and I can do with it what I want."
  18. Danny99

    Danny99 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Dec 30, 2002
    Ontario, Canada
    Another unpopular opinion: I would have preferred to see decent writing save the series instead of shoving Jeri Ryan into a catsuit.
  19. RobertScorpio

    RobertScorpio Pariah

    Jan 25, 2008
    San Diego
    Well, I am no fan of Voyager, but I think she did okay...and the catsuit, at times, was the only reason worth watching...but yes, the writing on that show was, well, hit and miss, being polite here of course..

  20. Anwar

    Anwar Vice Admiral Admiral

    Dec 11, 2006
    Regina, SK, Canada
    Another of mine is that Berman and Braga are misblamed for a lot of stuff in the latter years of the shows and not enough blame goes to the nameless UPN execs who were interfering with VOY and ENT from the start.