Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility be?

[wissaboo]

Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility

Yet another reason people should not have sex unless they are married.

But they will anyhow. They always have. Good thing easily available contraceptives can reduce the consequences of this oh so predictable behavior.

I'll grant that people have always had sex before marriage or at least a large percentage of them have.

It was different 30-50 years ago. I've heard my parents, grandparents and others of that generation talk about it.

Back then, basically a couple that had been virgins and were still in high school would start dating and then start having sex.

Often, the boy would give the girl a "promise ring". The public idea was that it was a "pre engagement ring".

But privately everyone knew that the "promise" was actually "I promise that if you get pregnant we'll get married".

Couples had sex, a good percentage of them resulted in pregnancy, the couple got married and then were expected to stay together for life.

So yes, people were having sex before marriage, but in a large percentage of the cases, it was to a future spouse.

It in no way resembles things today where a person has two sex partners in junior high, three more sex partners in high school, three or four in college, and then a couple of more after college before they decide to get married.

That doesn't even make sense.

You were an unborn child once too.
So was everyone.

For a life to be destroyed before it even has a chance to live..... that just doesn't sit well with me.

there are people who believe the same thing every time any form of birth control is used. Should everyone be denied birth control because of that?

 

[Paulcpick]

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Just because of a couple of women's bad experiences with men they chose to procreate with should we go along with the idea that all men are bad and have no input in something they helped create????

 

[Deckerd]

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Just because of a couple of women's bad experiences with men they chose to procreate with should we go along with the idea that all men are bad and have no input in something they helped create????

Who are you addressing here?

 

[Shaytan]

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You tell me when I need to derail the thread to speak about vasectomy.

 

[Shanndee]

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Just because of a couple of women's bad experiences with men they chose to procreate with should we go along with the idea that all men are bad and have no input in something they helped create????

I'm taking a deep breath and counting to 10 here.

I am on my way out the door, so the only thing I can say right now is:

If it was only "a couple" the courts would not have looked like they did when my mother was trying to get child support from that-which-impregnated her after they divorced.

My childhood friend who became a family court lawyer would not have the backlog of clients she has today if it was only "a couple" of men.

 

[datagal]

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Just because of a couple of women's bad experiences with men they chose to procreate with should we go along with the idea that all men are bad and have no input in something they helped create????

(walking away from the madness).

 

[Misfit Toy]

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You tell me when I need to derail the thread to speak about vasectomy.

Oh no. I still haven't recovered from the last time.

 

[Shaytan]

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Men who debate what women should do with their uterus don't deserve better.

I still need to improve the technical details.

 

[Misfit Toy]

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^Was it you or Deckerd that favored the two-bricks approach?

 

[Shaytan]

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Must have been Deckerd. It's team's work, I bring the tools, she brings (her and other women of this board) brings the ideas.

 

[Paulcpick]

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I'm taking a deep breath and counting to 10 here.

I am on my way out the door, so the only thing I can say right now is:

If it was only "a couple" the courts would not have looked like they did when my mother was trying to get child support from that-which-impregnated her after they divorced.

My childhood friend who became a family court lawyer would not have the backlog of clients she has today if it was only "a couple" of men.

While I empethize with you, my parents divorced when I was young too.
I must point out that your bias is, at best, coloring your judgement.
It was this same kind of bias that kept my father in court for years trying to get custody of me.(note, I have no complaints of my mothers treatment, or rearing, of me while I was a kid, we were just.... emotionally distant.)

All I'm saying is this thread has been driven(on both sides) by a few people with an axe to grin(posts above mine offered as proof!) and I don't think the middle ground has been given a fair shake because of that.

 

[{ Emilia }]

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The thread was driven off a cliff as soon as the over-simplistic "abortion=murder"-reasoning appeared.

The last 10 pages were just an elaborate post mortem.

 

[Kestra]

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I'm taking a deep breath and counting to 10 here.

I am on my way out the door, so the only thing I can say right now is:

If it was only "a couple" the courts would not have looked like they did when my mother was trying to get child support from that-which-impregnated her after they divorced.

My childhood friend who became a family court lawyer would not have the backlog of clients she has today if it was only "a couple" of men.

While I empethize with you, my parents divorced when I was young too.
I must point out that your bias is, at best, coloring your judgement.
It was this same kind of bias that kept my father in court for years trying to get custody of me.(note, I have no complaints of my mothers treatment, or rearing, of me while I was a kid, we were just.... emotionally distant.)

All I'm saying is this thread has been driven(on both sides) by a few people with an axe to grin(posts above mine offered as proof!) and I don't think the middle ground has been given a fair shake because of that.

I doubt most people have an axe to grind here. I have had no maltreatment by men that has informed my views on abortion.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility

I'm taking a deep breath and counting to 10 here.

I am on my way out the door, so the only thing I can say right now is:

If it was only "a couple" the courts would not have looked like they did when my mother was trying to get child support from that-which-impregnated her after they divorced.

My childhood friend who became a family court lawyer would not have the backlog of clients she has today if it was only "a couple" of men.

While I empethize with you, my parents divorced when I was young too.
I must point out that your bias is, at best, coloring your judgement.
It was this same kind of bias that kept my father in court for years trying to get custody of me.(note, I have no complaints of my mothers treatment, or rearing, of me while I was a kid, we were just.... emotionally distant.)

All I'm saying is this thread has been driven(on both sides) by a few people with an axe to grin(posts above mine offered as proof!) and I don't think the middle ground has been given a fair shake because of that.

One place is stop telling women what to do if their bodies.

 

[Paulcpick]

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One place is stop telling women what to do if their bodies.

.....?

 

[Misfit Toy]

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How many times have you been pregnant, Paul?

 

[Gov Kodos]

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One place is stop telling women what to do if their bodies.

.....?

Feigned ignorance, how unsurprising.

How many times have you been pregnant, Paul?

What' are women going to decide that he and his ilk can't decide better for them?

 

[Kestra]

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One place is stop telling women what to do if their bodies.

.....?

I responded to you too.

 

[Paulcpick]

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Nothing feigned about it, i m still not sure if its an incomplete thought or a typo(i also question your sincerity, given the homage of your screen name). Also, I have made no statements about What should be done, so please refrain from implying that I have.

 

[Misfit Toy]

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Also, I have made no statements about What should be done, so please refrain from implying that I have.

Along those same lines, then...

Just because of a couple of women's bad experiences with men they chose to procreate with should we go along with the idea that all men are bad and have no input in something they helped create????

...why don't you tell us exactly WHO in this thread is saying that all men are bad?