Twilight(The Worst Thing in the Universe)
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She can sketch out my future whenever she wants!
Preach it!
I saw her on the cover of some magazine while grocery shopping last night. I nearly crashed my cart.
In the Twilight universe werewolves, even in human form, have a very high body heat as if they were running a fever. What's dumber is they hid-out with Bella at the top of that mountain without, you know, bringing anything with them like heavy blankets, space heaters, thermal underwear and stuff like that.
The werewolves running around the whole movie shirtless (more apparent in the second movie) is just pandering to drooling teenage girls at its worst. There's also a bit of a double-standard with these movies. Out there there's one of those "demotivator" images (reproduction of those "motivation" posters from the 90s) featuring a bunch of middle-aged women excited for the coming Twilight movie. You see, older women like these movies because of the handsome, scantly clad, young men in them.
Now. What do you think the public reaction would be to a bunch of middle-aged men excited to see a movie because it featured scantly-clad young women in it?
Yes. Because Hollywood never shows gratuitous shots of tits and ass, nor dresses female characters in tight and revealing outfits, nor casts ridiculously hot young starlets in roles they aren't at all appropriate for just for the sake of adding some cheesecake to a production. Hollywood is, in fact, completely devoid of ever using sex to sell a movie to men. Because men aren't motivated by such shallow appeals at all.
That's why the 60 year old guy sitting next to me in Star Trek last year said loudly enough for three rows to hear during the Kirk makeout scene in Uhura's quarters, "Mmm - green pussy!"
I think many SF/F geeks are just deeply offended by the genre which they have long considered their own private province, especially when it comes to trashy pulp productions (which never, ever, EVER indulge in displaying the female body for the lustful attention of males - now don't mention that Natalie Portman in a thong clip that got reposted 85 times in the Your Highness thread, that was obviously a mere anamoly), daring to offer up a trashy pulp production that's actually aimed at females.
'Cause these threads more often than not sound like 8 year olds whining that girl cooties have gotten into their clubhouse.
As long as Sam & Dean can come along too, slow them down with some dead mans blood and then decapitate them all, fine!
In the Twilight universe werewolves, even in human form, have a very high body heat as if they were running a fever. What's dumber is they hid-out with Bella at the top of that mountain without, you know, bringing anything with them like heavy blankets, space heaters, thermal underwear and stuff like that.
The werewolves running around the whole movie shirtless (more apparent in the second movie) is just pandering to drooling teenage girls at its worst. There's also a bit of a double-standard with these movies. Out there there's one of those "demotivator" images (reproduction of those "motivation" posters from the 90s) featuring a bunch of middle-aged women excited for the coming Twilight movie. You see, older women like these movies because of the handsome, scantly clad, young men in them.
Now. What do you think the public reaction would be to a bunch of middle-aged men excited to see a movie because it featured scantly-clad young women in it?
Yes. Because Hollywood never shows gratuitous shots of tits and ass, nor dresses female characters in tight and revealing outfits, nor casts ridiculously hot young starlets in roles they aren't at all appropriate for just for the sake of adding some cheesecake to a production. Hollywood is, in fact, completely devoid of ever using sex to sell a movie to men. Because men aren't motivated by such shallow appeals at all.
That's why the 60 year old guy sitting next to me in Star Trek last year said loudly enough for three rows to hear during the Kirk makeout scene in Uhura's quarters, "Mmm - green pussy!"
I think many SF/F geeks are just deeply offended by the genre which they have long considered their own private province, especially when it comes to trashy pulp productions (which never, ever, EVER indulge in displaying the female body for the lustful attention of males - now don't mention that Natalie Portman in a thong clip that got reposted 85 times in the Your Highness thread, that was obviously a mere anamoly), daring to offer up a trashy pulp production that's actually aimed at females.
'Cause these threads more often than not sound like 8 year olds whining that girl cooties have gotten into their clubhouse.
Er. No.
Women's Rights Groups complain all of the time about the gratuity of female sexuality and bodies being put on display in the media. If there was a movie series out there with scantly-clad young women in it and the media made a sensation out of how middle-aged men loved these movies because of it what do you think the reaction of Women's Rights and child-protection groups would be?
People would be offended, organizing boycotts and pitching shit all over the place. Men who woo and hoot in theaters for scantly dressed women are quickly declared perverts and are looked at with questioning eyes.
Yet, the media thinks it is "cute" and "sweet" that mothers and teenage daughters are enjoying movies with handsome barely-legal men in them. "Twilight Mom" is an endearing phrase and they're treated "nicely" by peers, the media, and aren't looked at as creeps and freaks by people.
What do you suppose would happen if fathers were enjoying taking their kids to a similar movie for boys? One that featured scantly dressed young girls and the teenage boys who want to get with them? Groups all over the country would over-react as if the fathers were pedophiles imposing a demeaning-to-women mindset on their sons.
But it's perfectly okay for middle-aged women to woot and holler with their teenage daughters over half-dressed young men.
It's a double standard.
You just described 90% of the entertainment industry.
Right if there were boycotts and pitched demonstrations by feminists for Transformers 2 I totally missed that.
You know Megan Fox was younger then Robert Pattinson in the first Transformers movie? And that she's treated as a sex object?
And the first film at least had a reasonable portion of older fans nostalgic for the original cartoon?
I mean come now. There's a lot of teen/early twenties sex symbols in pop culture of eiher gender and remarking that older people find the alluring is not exactly new.
You know, maybe I'm out of touch.
And this is possible.
But I've never heard or read the Twilight Mom thing referred to postively. Most of the references I've ever come across are outraged geeks.
Really what I find far more notable is the level of bile and mockery Twlight engenders. Sure, I'll grant you it is likely a terrible book series and I understand a lot of the mockery comes from this and he deconstruction of the ludricousness of the plot.
But when people begin complaning about stuff we take for graned in more male friendly entertainment, my eyebrows raise. I mean Myasischev is complaining about the logical flaws of why guys have their shirts off the whole time, but what say he to improbably tight catsuits and skimpy dresses? Sexiness has often trumped pragmatism in Hollywood productions because hey, sex sells. Guys want to see a scantily clad woman in the middle of their brainless action flick, here she is. Girls want some topless guys, hey, presto.
Given the sheer number of blockbuster-type movies that deliver the goods, woman-wise (Abrams' Star Trek for one - Zoe Saldana, underwear); if this s the world of double standards that favour women god knows what an equal world would be.
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What I don't understand is why there is not more focus on the Mormon propaganda rife in the pages of Twilight. (I only read about half of the first book mind you, so if I'm wrong you can throw things at me.) Honestly, if I want religious manipulation, then I will watch Latter Day Saints ads.
Yo, Kegg? When'd I do that?
Why, I said specifically if all the Twilight films/books were was softcore porn, it would be fine. Hell, if they were hardcore porn... well, they'd actually improve.
Anyway, you know, if I can buy a werewolf, I can buy a werewolf going shirtless in a snowstorm. I mean, really, werewolves should all be completely nude when they're preparing for combat. When they magically Hulk out, they destroy anything they're wearing, anyway. If you want to talk about story logic, it's just wasteful for what seem to be lower-income individuals to be destroying all their clothes for no reason.
My sincerest thanks for mentioning this - I spent yesterday evening laughing way too loud for 1am when I have neighbours over those videos.Brilliant.
I "found" Alex last summer when someone here linked to his Twilight videos. He is quite hilarious.
You know you're right. I confused you with Trekker4747. I was very tired at the time, so, apologies.Yo, Kegg? When'd I do that?
Well I don't think the category distinction matters.
The Twilight franchise may be not be 'porn', but they're titles aimed at women which feature idealised relationships and desirable mates... so far as I know from reading about the books rather then reading the books. They surely fulfll some kind of female wish fulfilment fantasy. If that fantasy features men who care deeply about ther female companions while walking around shirtless, hey, it's their fantasy.
I've honestly no idea what "Mormon Propaganda" is in the Twilight books, but I haven't read them. Not anymore "propaganda" than would be in a book written by a Chirstian or Catholic author. I mean Mormons are just pretty much Christians. It's not like they're a group who kills themselves to get on a spaceship hiding in the tail of a comet.
Well, if not killing oneself, how would you suggest one gets from here to a spaceship hidden in the tail of a comet? 
I'm think either a large slingshot or a large catapult.
Well why didn't you say so before?
Incidentally, I watched the Alex Day videos. Brilliant. And now I feel like I don't have to ever read Twilight.
Incidentally, I watched the Alex Day videos. Brilliant. And now I feel like I don't have to ever read Twilight.
You know you're right. I confused you with Trekker4747. I was very tired at the time, so, apologies.Yo, Kegg? When'd I do that?
Well I don't think the category distinction matters.
The Twilight franchise may be not be 'porn', but they're titles aimed at women which feature idealised relationships and desirable mates... so far as I know from reading about the books rather then reading the books. They surely fulfll some kind of female wish fulfilment fantasy. If that fantasy features men who care deeply about ther female companions while walking around shirtless, hey, it's their fantasy.
How about "cheesecake"? I could live with cheesecake.
The problem with Twilight is that they care in a very unhealthy manner.
It's been pointed out many times that Bella and Edward has the worst relationship ever. Edward stalks her, breaks into her bedroom without her knowing, watches her sleep, disables her car so she can't see friends and it's supposed to be "romantic" that he loves her so much he can't bring himself to kill her. And when they finally do have sex, with her still being human, he greatly injures her but she doesn't mind because he loves her.
And to be with him forever she has to, in theory, give up her family, her friends and her entire existence. It's a fucked up idea, really, the relationship between her and Edward that shouldn't in any way be a considered a healthy relationship or one to be admired or desired.
And to be with him forever she has to, in theory, give up her family, her friends and her entire existence. It's a fucked up idea, really, the relationship between her and Edward that shouldn't in any way be a considered a healthy relationship or one to be admired or desired.
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