Twilight(The Worst Thing in the Universe)

[Dream]

On top of that he's over 100 years old.. which 100+ year old finds a 17 year old attractive and wants to be with her forever (apart from those who think that girls dig older men and are not in it for their money).

That creeps me out the most..

That's not much different from most Vampire romance novels.

Did fans complain when Angel got it on with Buffy?

 

[Gaith]

It's been pointined out many times that Bella and Edward has the worst relationship ever. Edward stalks her, breaks into her bedroom without her knowing, watches her sleep, disables her car so she can't see friends and it's supposed to be "romantic" that he loves her so much he can't bring himself to kill her. And when they finally do have sex, with her still being human, he greatly injures her but she doesn't mind because he loves her.

And to be with him forever she has to, in theory, give up her family, her friends and her entire existence. It's a fucked up idea, really, the relationship between her and Edward that shouldn't in any way be a considered a healthy relationship or one to be admired or desired.

Very true. Say what you like about the objectification of young females such Megan Fox in Transformers, at least her relationship with Shia seemed reasonably healthy.

 

[Trekker4747]

Yeah, the "age difference" thing I wave away because that is a staple of Vampire novels and stories and as I understand it the idea is that while Edward is over 100 years old he's still mentally a teenager. But what happens at the end of the last book? A bit more creepier.

 

[Myasishchev]

The May/Smarch relationship isn't really the thing that bugs me, it's that the 100 year old still skulks around high schools. That's creepy as shit. I mean, if I enrolled in a high school, I would be considered a really weird person at best, and a sexual predator at worst.

I don't get how you can still be mentally a teenager yet accrued 80+ years of memory. Of course, trying to work out the development of the vampire brain is probably a stupid use of my time.

 

[Trekker4747]

What's odd is do they move every four years? Does he suddenly become "someone else" every four years? Does he just keep flunking? How does he stay in high school all of the damn time? Why doesn't Carlisle just "home school" his "kids" to keep them out of the public eye and prevent the questions that'd arise from having a guy hanging around a high-school for a century.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

On the plus side, if he played sports, he'd hold all the records.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

And to be with him forever she has to, in theory, give up her family, her friends and her entire existence. It's a fucked up idea, really, the relationship between her and Edward that shouldn't in any way be a considered a healthy relationship or one to be admired or desired.

It's because it's Mormon propaganda. Seriously, Bella is exactly the kind of person that LDS aggressively recruits.

 

[Trekker4747]

And to be with him forever she has to, in theory, give up her family, her friends and her entire existence. It's a fucked up idea, really, the relationship between her and Edward that shouldn't in any way be a considered a healthy relationship or one to be admired or desired.

It's because it's Mormon propaganda. Seriously, Bella is exactly the kind of person that LDS aggressively recruits.

"Actively recruits." Right.

My best friend for 20 years is a Mormon/LDS and not once has he or any of his family or church friends tried to "recruit" me. Even when I participated in some events at their church. (I went to a couple dances, gatherings.) They were always very friendly, open, when I was there they were no more aggressive or "recruiting" prone than any Christian church I've been to. Hell probably less so while also being a bit less Dogmatic. They were just always nice and friendly and no more different than 90% of the other people on this planet who are part of a Christian religion or hell any religion.

"Recruit"

 

[Eckauskas]

I might well be showing my age here, but in my day, vampires sucked blood, not cock.

 

[Kegg]

I might well be showing my age here, but in my day, vampires sucked blood, not cock.

How old are you, two hundred? Vampires-as-sex is at least as old as Carmilla (which itself is older then Dracula, which also applies here).

 

[Eckauskas]

I might well be showing my age here, but in my day, vampires sucked blood, not cock.

How old are you, two hundred? Vampires-as-sex is at least as old as Carmilla (which itself is older then Dracula, which also applies here).

Vampires in a sexual sense = Perfectly fine.

Vampires as faggy goth kids with emotional problems associated with puberty, despite being well over a century old = Gay.

Just my opinion, like.

 

[PlainSimpleJoel]

Have zero interest in Twilight, but I've decided to watch some of Alex's videoes.

 

[theenglish]

Eckauskus, I agree with your main point here that Vampires have become too humanized. They are no longer the monsters that they used to be even up to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Anne Rice portrayed them as angsty but still monsters and many who were evil and did evil things.

The original sexual attraction idea was one of lust for the ultimate bad-boy; this idea of actual love and relationship possibilities with Vampires is quite recent.

BTW, I loved the Twilight spoof in Supernatural which hit upon exactly this idea.

 

[Kegg]

Vampires as faggy goth kids with emotional problems associated with puberty, despite being well over a century old = Gay.

The inspiration for Dracula came from a dream with homosexual undertones that Bram Stoker had, which is repeated in the novel (a man is approached by beautiful women, only to have anoher man push them aside and declare that he is his); while Stephanine Meyer's series; by all accounts, is about a male and female relationship.

So if anything the Twilight series is one of the less gay vampire titles out there.

 

[Eckauskas]

Vampires as faggy goth kids with emotional problems associated with puberty, despite being well over a century old = Gay.

The inspiration for Dracula came from a dream with homosexual undertones that Bram Stoker had, which is repeated in the novel (a man is approached by beautiful women, only to have anoher man push them aside and declare that he is his); while Stephanine Meyer's series; by all accounts, is about a male and female relationship.

So if anything the Twilight series is one of the less gay vampire titles out there.

You're reading too much into what I'm saying here, whilst missing the point. The point is not that the premise of Twilight is homosexual, it's just really shit. I'm sure you've heard the term 'gay' being used without any real links to actual homosexuality, it's a buzz word often used as a derogatory term.

If Jane Austen wrote a book about vampires, this would be it. It's supernatural, chick flick garbage that is more about teenage angst than it is about vampires.

Even True Blood, which is really quite rubbish too, plays more to the monster side of the vampire.

 

[Kegg]

I'm sure you've heard the term 'gay' being used without any real links to actual homosexuality, it's a buzz word often used as a derogatory term.

Yes, I have. By twelve year olds. And I thought it was stupid then. It's a turn of phrase that reflects a bit of adolescent insecurity about homosexuality in general and I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that isn't what you meant.

It's supernatural, chick flick garbage that is more about teenage angst than it is about vampires.

So I hear. I heard Buffy was about teenage angst too, but then, I never liked Buffy.

 

[Neroon]

How's about we ALL just use something else besides terms like "faggy" and "gay" when describing these films and books? They will only drag us down a path we really don't want to tread, resulting in infractions that nobody wants. Express your dislike or like for the "Twilight" franchise or its fans or what have you, but this vein of terminology should be avoided.

 

[Assimilated Tom]

It's been pointed out many times that Bella and Edward has the worst relationship ever.

Besides the obvious things you point out, in general, the tone of Bella and Edward's relationship seems completely co-dependent and unhealthy, because these characters honestly are not okay when apart and tend towards self-harm if separated. Hell, that's what New Moon is about. I know to roll my eyes at this, but I don't think the teeny-boppers at which the Twilight movies are aimed do. These movies could do some real harm if they make kids think that co-dependent relationships are normal and healthy.

 

[Pemmer Harge]

I don't know who Alex Day is--I presume he is the heir to the legacy of The Time--but I share the sentiment: Twilight's existence is justified because it is so mockably bad.

This would have been my sentiment - I've never read nor seen a Twilight product, have no animus towards the franchise myself, but was amused by the nerdrage - like, two years ago.

Now, though, hating on Twilight is just very passe. It's been done. We've all heard the sparkle jokes, the vampire baseball, the passive-aggressive romance, the imprinting on a baby.

I'm... pretty sure... this franchise has been mined dry of every single snarky witticism geekdom could foist upon it; and even I have grown weary of the petulant interwebs sneering about some tween's preferred franchises.

So can I call a moratorium on Twilight bashing at least until the next movie? Bash Bay instead, he's the gift that keeps on giving.

This.

Twilight may well be crap, but slagging it off is far too popular by now to be cool. Plus, isn't a paranormal romance aimed at teenagers kind of a soft target?

 

[Neroon]

The timing was too perfect today....