Trek Returning to TV in 2017!

[Autistoid]

Probably the most succinct summation of TFF (one of my fave ST films) I've ever read

To some extent.

If half loved it, and half hated it, I'd think that is totally fair.

As someone who is of the half that liked it, I think that day is shrinking.

The movies were full of some of the most shamless shit, that was passable because everything else was so good.


Deuxmachina crap.

Convoluted time travel that served only the plot and will have no purpose in the future other than just a huge problem for the writers.

Scotty deuxmachining transporters than can go across the galaxy as if the requirement for ion interferance wasn't enough to trump this technology in tos.

The whole mockery that has been made of starfleet as basically they will let anyone be captain.

Your minds go into this severe defense mode any time these issues get brought up..

You can't adress them, you have nothign to say than it's just FUN. Like someone FUn is the excuse for shit.

They've been addressed ad nauseam in the past. At some point, people wisely realize that nothing will get across and it's best just to know they enjoyed the film, which is why these films are made. You don't like it? Great. There's nothing for anyone to defend based solely on your dislike of the film.

I am a fan of the films as I've said many times.

However at the time I forgave it, as oh well it's all happening in some convulted time bubble.

But there is nothing you can that doesn't acknowledge these as huge glarring flaws that were willfully entered into the series.

Sure the time line thing is totally forgiveable.

However the transporter nonsense and all that stuff is the exact kind of careless writing that will give the show a very short shelf life.

 

[Autistoid]

BSG's a strange beast for me. Many of my favorite episodes, moments, are in the back half. But overall, yes, it's kind of a mess by halfway into "2.5".

BSG was pretty awesome in FIRST RUN.

Rewatchability after season 2 SUCKS.

...Oh and the whole reference to a Jimi Hendrix song and the final 5 is just absolutely silly to watch these days.

Yeah well the show basically caniblized itself.

Create this great work up and then boom ate it's own progress.

 

[Amaris]

I am a fan of the films as I've said many times.

However at the time I forgave it, as oh well it's all happening in some convulted time bubble.

But there is nothing you can that doesn't acknowledge these as huge glarring flaws that were willfully entered into the series.

Sure the time line thing is totally forgiveable.

However the transporter nonsense and all that stuff is the exact kind of careless writing that will give the show a very short shelf life.

Still, the explanations on various issues with the films has been discussed a thousand times or more, and while I realize this is the very meat of a Star Trek message board, in this case the supposed gaffes and inconsistencies are not something that bothers me at all, and it doesn't seem to bother most people who enjoy the films. Hell, half the time there's nothing wrong with the scenes at all and it only comes down to personal taste.

 

[Autistoid]

I am a fan of the films as I've said many times.

However at the time I forgave it, as oh well it's all happening in some convulted time bubble.

But there is nothing you can that doesn't acknowledge these as huge glarring flaws that were willfully entered into the series.

Sure the time line thing is totally forgiveable.

However the transporter nonsense and all that stuff is the exact kind of careless writing that will give the show a very short shelf life.

Still, the explanations on various issues with the films has been discussed a thousand times or more, and while I realize this is the very meat of a Star Trek message board, in this case the supposed gaffes and inconsistencies are not something that bothers me at all, and it doesn't seem to bother most people who enjoy the films. Hell, half the time there's nothing wrong with the scenes at all and it only comes down to personal taste.

Lol I see what your doing, trying to reduce things like basic logic on taste.

Oh yes yesterday star trek had klingons, today klingons have been wiped out by some virus. It allowed us to have a decontamination scene with a hot young lead in their underwear.

Yeah one could imagine a much simpler reason why a character ends up half naked, but if we did that we might have to consider the value of why we want people in their underwear in the first place.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

And there was never any risk. The closest we ever got was Locutus but that was because Stewart didn't know if he wanted to come back.

Have you got a reference for that? I looked for it but I couldn't find it and Id be interested to read that story

edit. ok nvm I found some info on it, I typed too soon

 

[Horizons96]

People like to read a good novel, they know it's fiction, but it doesn't mean they'll automatically accept just any changes made in the next one, just because it's ---fiction..

Exactly, thankyou. I wasn't going to respond to the gratuitous facetiousness.

Also when we remember the amazing effect Star Trek has had on the technological and social progress in the real world, the new show is indeed in a position to be adding to this phenomenon.

Humanity's future is watching.

 

[BillJ]

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[Kemaiku]

Also when we remember the amazing effect Star Trek has had on the technological and social progress in the real world.

Proof?

Trek was lagging far behind most of TV in terms of social progression and change, and portrayed utter horseshit as "science" for the majority of it's time on air.

And most of the people changing the world in the last few decades, I don't remember any of them saying "I owe it all to Star Trek".

 

[Rojixus]

Must EVERYTHING turn into a "this Trek" vs. "that Trek" debate which then cycles into groups of fans attacking each other, hating on each other, claiming anyone who doesn't think like you is automatically grouped into a cartoon stereotype fan, and joking on each other in very hateful/rude/elitist/childish ways?

And what's with the complaining? Already? We know very little, and clearly it's in the extremely early (if not pre) development phase, and people are complaining!

I don't get it!

Can't we all just be excited that we're getting a new series! This is awesome news, guys! Have an open mind!

No, I emphatically can not do that because I don't trust CBS to do decent job. All they know how to do is play it safe.

 

[garoo1980]

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I've had this going around in my head since the first time I came back to TrekBBS since the announcement. Sigh.

Some people will love it. Some people will hate it. It's still Star Trek even if you don't think it is.

It will be someone's favorite

 

[Jedman67]

It's safer to say that trek has inspired some technological progress. But trek did not cause that technological progress.

Trek was lagging far behind most of TV in terms of social progression and change, and portrayed utter horseshit as "science" for the majority of it's time on air.

YES.

 

[cooleddie74]

I have an explanation for why so many people hate the new series before it even goes into production, and it's totally canon.

The Temporal Cold War. Nerds from 2015 have been transported foward through time to 2017, have seen the series and even though they quietly like it they still slam it as the worst thing ever.

 

[Rojixus]

I have an explanation for why so many people hate the new series before it even goes into production, and it's totally canon.

The Temporal Cold War. Nerds from 2015 have been transported foward through time to 2017, have seen the series and even though they quietly like it they still slam it as the worst thing ever.

Nice strawman you set up there.

 

[Makarov]

It's safer to say that trek has inspired some technological progress. But trek did not cause that technological progress.

That's still a lot more than most TV shows accomplish.

 

[cooleddie74]

^
True.

Trek may not be at the forefront of technology and social evolution the way some fans would like to think, but it's had more impact than most TV series and films in entertainment history and there've been a number of engineering and medical school students who said that Trek got them interested in pursuing careers in science and medicine.

As with most things, the truth lies somewhere in between the extremes of opinion.

 

[fireproof78]

I am a fan of the films as I've said many times.

However at the time I forgave it, as oh well it's all happening in some convulted time bubble.

But there is nothing you can that doesn't acknowledge these as huge glarring flaws that were willfully entered into the series.

Sure the time line thing is totally forgiveable.

However the transporter nonsense and all that stuff is the exact kind of careless writing that will give the show a very short shelf life.

Still, the explanations on various issues with the films has been discussed a thousand times or more, and while I realize this is the very meat of a Star Trek message board, in this case the supposed gaffes and inconsistencies are not something that bothers me at all, and it doesn't seem to bother most people who enjoy the films. Hell, half the time there's nothing wrong with the scenes at all and it only comes down to personal taste.

Lol I see what your doing, trying to reduce things like basic logic on taste.

Oh yes yesterday star trek had klingons, today klingons have been wiped out by some virus. It allowed us to have a decontamination scene with a hot young lead in their underwear.

Yeah one could imagine a much simpler reason why a character ends up half naked, but if we did that we might have to consider the value of why we want people in their underwear in the first place.

Basic logic

Sorry, I know that there are issues with the Abrams films that, as was mentioned above, have been discussed ad nauseum. The transwarp beaming has been done in a similar vein in a episode of TNG and was largely forgotten. I'll give credit where credit is due-Abrams Trek at least followed through on the consequences of the actions of the last film (Kirk isn't ready for command, the transwarp was confiscated by Section 31, the fear mongering based upon Nero's attack, among others).

Honestly, there many flaws in all of Star Trek history-these particular ones (if they are flaws) and these don't feel particularly egregious to me.

^
True.

Trek may not be at the forefront of technology and social evolution the way some fans would like to think, but it's had more impact than most TV series and films in entertainment history and there've been a number of engineering and medical school students who said that Trek got them interested in pursuing careers in science and medicine.

As with most things, the truth lies somewhere in between the extremes of opinion.

Indeed. I have no problem acknowledging Trek's contribution to technology or inspiring individuals to participate in different fields, but that doesn't make it the most important influence. There are many contextual factors that need to be considered.

As for a new series, as with the announcement of Lin for directing Beyond, I feel an optimism that CBS has selected an executive producer who has the skills they want to produce a profitable result.

 

[cooleddie74]

Wait, what does the modified Augment virus erradicating Klingon forehead ridges for the next several generations have to do with Trip and T'Pol in the NX-01 decon chamber rubbing each other down with gel? Did I miss something?

Do I even want to know?

 

[Jedman67]

^
True.

Trek may not be at the forefront of technology and social evolution the way some fans would like to think, but it's had more impact than most TV series and films in entertainment history and there've been a number of engineering and medical school students who said that Trek got them interested in pursuing careers in science and medicine.

I imagine that shows such as Scrubs, ER, and House have also inspired people to become doctors and nurses, just like after the release of Top Gun, the Navy saw a nice uptick in recruitment.
Entertainment Media does affect social patterns, etc etc.
Star Trek possibly had a stronger effect due to its popularity and cultural staying power.

As with most things, the truth lies somewhere in between the extremes of opinion.

I believe the truth always lies halfway between the most extreme claims.

 

[fireproof78]

Wait, what does the modified Augment virus erradicating Klingon forehead ridges for the next several generations have to do with Trip and T'Pol in the NX-01 decon chamber rubbing each other down with gel? Did I miss something?

Do I even want to know?

No, no you don't. Let straw Klingons lie.

 

[cooleddie74]

As Kahless himself once said while eating: "Sometimes you've just gotta let those little chips go."