Wasn't TMP restored as part of the creation of the Director's Edition?
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4K is the new digital cinema standard which is reasonably equivalent to the maximum useful information on a 35mm negative.
A 70mm negative has a maximum viable resolution of around 8K (proposed digital IMAX res., two 4K projectors in tandem). I am only aware of a single example of 8K currently in use, that being the 8K digital restoration of Baraka. That film was shot on Todd-AO 65mm, scanned at 8K and then downsampled to 1080p for arguably the highest quality Blu-Ray disc ever.
It's going to look like poop compared to blu-ray, but I'm still with you. I'd prefer the directors versions. It won't matter anyway, because I'll be broke after buying the season one set on blu-ray.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
TMP had the largest domestic release in history at that point, something like 960 screens. So in terms of 'wider' ... I don't think there'd be a point. Wouldn't they just be recycling those prints to other later int'l markets as the film got played out domestically?
I really don't see any significant cleanup on TMP. Compare it to BLADE RUNNER's DVD and ... well, there really isn't any comparison.
GodThingFormerly
A Different Kind of Asshole
I'm very happy about the theatrical versions, since those are the versions I saw each opening night and loved. I would prefer all versions be included, but this is still a cool thing for me.
I am really hoping they take the opportunity to really finally correct the credits in the beginning of Trek 3. This is my favorite of the films and I saw it, like, 7 times back in 83. Anyway, the credits have always looked like crap, with the exception of the LD/VHS widescreen versions.
The original P&S VHS tapes had these godawful, very cheap looking and amateurish "video" credits. They were crooked and "fake squished" for the pan & scan. That drove me nuts for years, no other Trek movie had crapped up credits.
As I said, the Laserdisc and w/s VHS release had the correct credits and it was lovely.
BUT... the DVD versions are screwed up. They "look" okay, but the timing is off.
- Okay, I pause to totally admit that this is the most nickpicky bullshit you're ever likely to hear, even from a Trek fan. I mean, opening credits, for chrissake. But, as I said, Trek 3 is my favorite of the films and I always wanted to recreate the theatrical experience and the opening credits are part of that. Okay, now that I've admitted I'm a freaking lunatic, let us continue.
Firstly, they don't dissolve in as gradually as they are supposed to, the kinda pop in. The Harve Bennett's credit is cut off way too early, leaving creditless screen a few seconds longer than before until the movie title pops in (again, it shouldn't pop in). Then, Nichelle's credit doesn't even pop out, it is just suddenly replaced with Mark Lenard's credit.
The timing synchs back up at this point, but the fade is never correct. Anyhow, I would love it if they used the effing credits that were on the film to begin with. I can see redoing them for pan and scan, but there's no reason to remake them in widescreen...
I am really hoping they take the opportunity to really finally correct the credits in the beginning of Trek 3. This is my favorite of the films and I saw it, like, 7 times back in 83. Anyway, the credits have always looked like crap, with the exception of the LD/VHS widescreen versions.
The original P&S VHS tapes had these godawful, very cheap looking and amateurish "video" credits. They were crooked and "fake squished" for the pan & scan. That drove me nuts for years, no other Trek movie had crapped up credits.
As I said, the Laserdisc and w/s VHS release had the correct credits and it was lovely.
BUT... the DVD versions are screwed up. They "look" okay, but the timing is off.
- Okay, I pause to totally admit that this is the most nickpicky bullshit you're ever likely to hear, even from a Trek fan. I mean, opening credits, for chrissake. But, as I said, Trek 3 is my favorite of the films and I always wanted to recreate the theatrical experience and the opening credits are part of that. Okay, now that I've admitted I'm a freaking lunatic, let us continue.
Firstly, they don't dissolve in as gradually as they are supposed to, the kinda pop in. The Harve Bennett's credit is cut off way too early, leaving creditless screen a few seconds longer than before until the movie title pops in (again, it shouldn't pop in). Then, Nichelle's credit doesn't even pop out, it is just suddenly replaced with Mark Lenard's credit.
The timing synchs back up at this point, but the fade is never correct. Anyhow, I would love it if they used the effing credits that were on the film to begin with. I can see redoing them for pan and scan, but there's no reason to remake them in widescreen...
sorry sir but you are exagerating GREATLY. if that was the case they wouldnt have spent all that money restoring part 2. fact of the matter is that the special editions had all there effects created on video in standard defintion. it would cost a lot of money to redo all those effects for HD at this time.
honestly iam glad to finnally own the original theatrical cuts of the one two and six. as they were the way they i saw them in theatres.
honestly iam glad to finnally own the original theatrical cuts of the one two and six. as they were the way they i saw them in theatres.
There's nothing in that story that's true. You know who did the transfer for TMP? Paramount.
Graphic CGI footage? We know that's not the case, and David C. Fein has on numerous occasions said it was the sound of the transporter malfunction that got them the PG.
What I heard was that someone was starting rumors (this article is dated March 1, 2001 and the DVD came out November 6th of that year) to try to get word out of a tight lipped production. I wonder who that could have been, TGT.
Neil
GodThingFormerly
A Different Kind of Asshole
On the (exceedingly generous) assumption that the ruined ST:TMP camera negatives were just a rumor, I deeply regret to inform you that I was not the one who started it because I was still stupid and desperate enough circa early 2001 to believe that Sharpline Arts knew what the fuck they were doing.
TGT
Great news.
On TOS show, I'm definitely getting season 1 on blu-ray (even if, as of yet, I don't have a blu-ray player), because I don't own the remastered version at all, yet.
On the movies... THis is tough. I live in Greece, and there's no Netflix here, so I'm gonna have to find other ways to listen to Reeves-Stevens TMP-TFF commentaries and the Behr TUC one. Plus, I already own the all the films, and don't expect much difference in blu-ray, so...
But, I will be getting the Trilogy (II, III, IV) on DVD, as I already own the DVDs for it, for the extras that I haven't seen - plus, an opportunity to own the Theatrical Edition of TWOK, for completists reasons.
Does anyone know, as of yet, if the DVDs will be one-disc or two-disc?
On TOS show, I'm definitely getting season 1 on blu-ray (even if, as of yet, I don't have a blu-ray player), because I don't own the remastered version at all, yet.
On the movies... THis is tough. I live in Greece, and there's no Netflix here, so I'm gonna have to find other ways to listen to Reeves-Stevens TMP-TFF commentaries and the Behr TUC one. Plus, I already own the all the films, and don't expect much difference in blu-ray, so...
But, I will be getting the Trilogy (II, III, IV) on DVD, as I already own the DVDs for it, for the extras that I haven't seen - plus, an opportunity to own the Theatrical Edition of TWOK, for completists reasons.
Does anyone know, as of yet, if the DVDs will be one-disc or two-disc?
trevanian
Rear Admiral
TGT was the biggest proponent of the DE until he saw the damned thing at the end of the year, so this definitely wouldn't have come from his end. More than likely, this came from somebody at Foundation who was dismayed at how things were going, or maybe even inside Paramount. Foundation was all for documenting their work for outside magazines, but SharpLine was rude and uncooperative beyond belief (either due to their relationship with Paramount or just out of their own insecurity over the project.)
Oh so true. This was the weakest part of my post and I thank you for being kind to me. Some of us sort of like grain instead of harsh digital recreations. I am reminded of Neil Young's analysis of CD quality digital sound years ago. He thought analog audio was like having water rushing over your body. For him, digital sound hit him on the head with ice cubes.
Don't get me wrong. Right this minute I'm in the middle of recording a CD for a buddy and we are currently working with 96K/24 bit digital audio. That sounds great. While I love my vinyl records and have a better than average vinyl playback system, I'm not anti-digital. I am also completely in favor of HDTV. But too often the consumer electronics industry replaces a better quality format with a lesser quality one in order to gain convenience (can you say iPod?). Let's not try to make this same mistake again.
Thanks also for the info on cameras and films stock, trevanian.
Umm...which "effects" are you referring to? The only film which had SD effects added was the TMP Director's Edition. The other special editions (2 & 6) had only film inserts, I believe.
Doug
I'm guessing they'll be 1-discers. There's a lot more storage capacity on a BD, so they might be able to fit the HD video, lossless audio, and extras all on one disc.
Doug
For TMP's director's cut, they wouldn't have to *re-do* the effects, just re-RENDER them.
To use an analogy: Re-rendering the effects would be like recompiling a computer program; redoing the effects would translate to rewriting the program from scratch. As you can see, not the same at all.
ScatmanRescueMe
Lieutenant Commander
For sure six discs (1 per movie) & 1 bonus disc if you buy the 1-6 set.
3 discs if you buy the 2-4 set.
Blu-ray has lots of room--no need to have to switch out the disc for special features except on rare occasions.
3 discs if you buy the 2-4 set.
Blu-ray has lots of room--no need to have to switch out the disc for special features except on rare occasions.
I was asking about the DVD's, though.
ScatmanRescueMe
Lieutenant Commander
^^ OOPS sorry.
The standard set of Trek 2-4 will be a single disc per movie (total 3.) That is why it will only contain the new 2009 features and not the DC/CE features--not enough space on standard DVD for both.
The standard set of Trek 2-4 will be a single disc per movie (total 3.) That is why it will only contain the new 2009 features and not the DC/CE features--not enough space on standard DVD for both.
Yeah, would make sense that way. And its a permissable double-dip, IMO, cause I won't have to rebuy the extras I already own and all.
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