I have read articles depending on the film that type of thing occurs, it was a while back. More than likely I'm wrong, if I am I have no problem saying. I remember an associate of mine when to get a blu-ray player and it was one of the pirates of the carrbbean films and he thought they were playing the demo of the game, and it was the movie. The sharper cgi at least in his opinion almost took him out of the movie. Hopefully all the movies are going to look good, but I just don't true paramount they milked Trek for so long.
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I have read articles depending on the film that type of thing occurs, it was a while back. More than likely I'm wrong, if I am I have no problem saying. I remember an associate of mine when to get a blu-ray player and it was one of the pirates of the carrbbean films and he thought they were playing the demo of the game, and it was the movie. The sharper cgi at least in his opinion almost took him out of the movie. Hopefully all the movies are going to look good, but I just don't true paramount they milked Trek for so long.
I was using the (Saddam/WMDs) reference METAPHORICALLY!!!
Damn...you people are trying hard to become Anthony Pascale (Trekmovie.com), aren't you?
Believe me, he should be no one's "moderating idol"!
One of the reasons I have posted here is that it seemed laid back on the moderating front...I'll rethink in a heartbeat that if things get too oppressive!
Damn...you people are trying hard to become Anthony Pascale (Trekmovie.com), aren't you?
Believe me, he should be no one's "moderating idol"!
One of the reasons I have posted here is that it seemed laid back on the moderating front...I'll rethink in a heartbeat that if things get too oppressive!
I agree with that last post. It's been hinted that Pramount is doing a 'good but not perfect' restoration of the Trek movies for this release. Also it's been stated different companies are transfering different movies (probably because of the quite near May release timeframe) meaning some may be better cleaned up than others.
I'm hoping for at least a four out of five star picture quality. (as rated by the various Blu-ray sites) I hope it isn't any less than that.
Also because any future double-dip release will probably use the same transfers (with the additional footage added in of course) it will probably be the best we'll ever see the trek movies.
So even though I won't be buying this release, I hope that when the reviews come in, we see some high ratings for audio & picture qualtiy.
I'm hoping for at least a four out of five star picture quality. (as rated by the various Blu-ray sites) I hope it isn't any less than that.
Also because any future double-dip release will probably use the same transfers (with the additional footage added in of course) it will probably be the best we'll ever see the trek movies.
So even though I won't be buying this release, I hope that when the reviews come in, we see some high ratings for audio & picture qualtiy.
Oops sorry, I just decided to riff on the WMD thing because i thought it was funny that it was mentioned. Like they were promoting the 'Saddam gave them to Syria' theory.
I doubt annybody here would promote such nonsense here.
What does WMD have to do with the TLZ (Twilight Zone) anyway?
Sorry The Neutral Zone (TNZ) now I get it. Never been there. Don't want to go.
I doubt annybody here would promote such nonsense here.
What does WMD have to do with the TLZ (Twilight Zone) anyway?
Sorry The Neutral Zone (TNZ) now I get it. Never been there. Don't want to go.
If you want me to go all "jackbooted thug" on you, just say the word.
Oops sorry, I just decided to riff on the WMD thing because i thought it was funny that it was mentioned. Like they were promoting the 'Saddam gave them to Syria' theory.
I doubt annybody here would promote such nonsense here.
What does WMD have to do with the TLZ (Twilight Zone) anyway?
Sorry The Neutral Zone (TNZ) now I get it. Never been there. Don't want to go.
Laugh it up, fuzzball!
There's plenty of evidence to support that position -- however, out of respect for the mods, we won't discuss that here. My intent was NOT to start a political discussion. It just seemed like a good metaphor given the FACTS.
Sorry. Film has less grain than HDTV. First, let's define HDTV's grain. It is called native resolution and it is determined by pixel count. An HDTV operating at 1080p has a pixel count of 1980x1080. That is the minimum you can detail an image. It can't get any finer. That is its grain. And the grain in film, even a couple of generations down, is still significantly finer. It can resolve details at least twice as small, and go to a 70mm or IMAX print, and you can get even much finer resolution.
Frankly, ATimson, I don't get why you are arguing this point. Be grateful film is a higher resolution medium than HDTV and Blu-ray. Nobody says that Blu-ray is the end of all video evolution. It is a great step and we should all be grateful it's out there. But I can guarantee you that in 2025 it will look as old fashioned as VHS looks to us today. Video will have advanced. And we will still have vaults of movies to draw upon for playback on whatever video system exists then. As a guy who saw 2001: A Space Odyssey on a curved Cinerama screen during its first run in 1968, as I did Star Wars in 1977, I want them to look that good on my video system in 2025. Maybe they will.
D'oh! Make that film has four times the resolution of HDTV. I forgot the second dimension.
35mm movie film is generally quoted as having a horizontal resolution of 2,000. That is for the copy we'd see in a theater. I've seen attributions of resolution for a 35mm negative of 6,000 horizontal lines of resolution. But that's just in one dimension. As film stock is generally a random medium, that resolution will be double when you add in the vertical element. So make that four times the resolution of HDTV.
No wonder folks are already playing around with a super HD system that uses 2160 lines of horizontal resolution. Now that would be close to 35mm film. I've also heard of a HDTV system that would be 4320 lines of horizonal resolution. Somebody who knows film better than me: would that be close to 70mm film resolution?
35mm movie film is generally quoted as having a horizontal resolution of 2,000. That is for the copy we'd see in a theater. I've seen attributions of resolution for a 35mm negative of 6,000 horizontal lines of resolution. But that's just in one dimension. As film stock is generally a random medium, that resolution will be double when you add in the vertical element. So make that four times the resolution of HDTV.
No wonder folks are already playing around with a super HD system that uses 2160 lines of horizontal resolution. Now that would be close to 35mm film. I've also heard of a HDTV system that would be 4320 lines of horizonal resolution. Somebody who knows film better than me: would that be close to 70mm film resolution?
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The first batch of features from the TMP Blu-ray.
Notice the deleted scenes are the ones that were only included in the "SLV" . In fact they are the exact same batch as the from the previous DVD release.
00:10:14:20 THE LONGEST TREK: WRITING THE MOTION PICTURE
00:09:11:01 (THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE - SPECIAL STAR TREK REUNION)
00:04:10:10 STARFLEET ACADEMY SCISEC BRIEF 001
00:00:53:03 (SULU AND ILIA 1) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:27:02 (SULU AND ILIA 2) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:21:02 (KIRK'S QUARTERS) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:10:15 (OFFICER'S LOUNGE) (DELETED SCENE)
00:01:05:10 (ATTACK ON THE ENTERPRISE) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:32:04 (INTRUDER TRANSMISSION) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:44:18 (A HUGE VESSEL) (DELETED SCENE)
00:01:10:08 (KIRK FOLLOWS SPOCK) (DELETED SCENE)
00:01:02:20 (ILIA'S QUARTERS 1) (DELETED SCENE)
00:01:17:18 (ILIA'S QUARTERS 2) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:14:05 (ITS CREATOR IS A MACHINE) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:29:22 STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE (HARDWARE - TV SPOT)
00:00:29:22 STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE (STARTLE YOUR SESNSES - TV SPOT)
00:00:30:01 STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE (ENTERPRISE - TV SPOT)
00:00:30:01 STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE (CAST/HUMAN ADVENTURE - TV SPOT)
00:00:30:01 STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE (SPIRITUAL SEARCH - TV SPOT)
00:00:30:00 STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE (SPIRITUAL/STARTLE YOUR SENSES - TV SPOT)
00:00:30:00 STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE (SPIRITUAL/HUMAN ADVENTURE - TV SPOT)
Notice the deleted scenes are the ones that were only included in the "SLV" . In fact they are the exact same batch as the from the previous DVD release.
00:10:14:20 THE LONGEST TREK: WRITING THE MOTION PICTURE
00:09:11:01 (THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE - SPECIAL STAR TREK REUNION)
00:04:10:10 STARFLEET ACADEMY SCISEC BRIEF 001
00:00:53:03 (SULU AND ILIA 1) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:27:02 (SULU AND ILIA 2) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:21:02 (KIRK'S QUARTERS) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:10:15 (OFFICER'S LOUNGE) (DELETED SCENE)
00:01:05:10 (ATTACK ON THE ENTERPRISE) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:32:04 (INTRUDER TRANSMISSION) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:44:18 (A HUGE VESSEL) (DELETED SCENE)
00:01:10:08 (KIRK FOLLOWS SPOCK) (DELETED SCENE)
00:01:02:20 (ILIA'S QUARTERS 1) (DELETED SCENE)
00:01:17:18 (ILIA'S QUARTERS 2) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:14:05 (ITS CREATOR IS A MACHINE) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:29:22 STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE (HARDWARE - TV SPOT)
00:00:29:22 STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE (STARTLE YOUR SESNSES - TV SPOT)
00:00:30:01 STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE (ENTERPRISE - TV SPOT)
00:00:30:01 STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE (CAST/HUMAN ADVENTURE - TV SPOT)
00:00:30:01 STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE (SPIRITUAL SEARCH - TV SPOT)
00:00:30:00 STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE (SPIRITUAL/STARTLE YOUR SENSES - TV SPOT)
00:00:30:00 STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE (SPIRITUAL/HUMAN ADVENTURE - TV SPOT)
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trevanian
Rear Admiral
The PHANTOM 65 digital camera is supposedly capable of aping 65mm, but in reality, I think it is maybe just a lot closer to reaching 35mm quality or almost reaching that.
You can't make a direct comparison anyway, because film grain and pixels don't readily correspond or read the same. Something like TMP is always going to seem more copied or washed out because so much of it is midrange rather than black or white, and midrange is where the grain lies (even on a film like TMP where they didn't push the film a stop.) Plus you've got so much live-action double-duped because of FX, so those scenes like the probe are godawful photgraphically.
^So there's no way that something like TMP can be seen properly other than on a silver screen?
The official word from CBS and Paramount Home Video for the U.S. release is out. Read it here on the Digital Bits.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa165.html#startrekannounce
There is also an announcement on the Trek Movie website.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa165.html#startrekannounce
There is also an announcement on the Trek Movie website.
Mildly annoyed about the missing text commentaries, but as Bill Hunt says they might be wrapped into the other features. I'll still buy TOS regardless (especially since I don't have it on SD-DVD yet, asides from four of the two-episode-volumes they released so long ago).
But theatrical-only means that I'll hold off on the movies, since I prefer the later cuts of TMP and TUC. I'll probably Netflix some of the movies for the new commentaries (especially Moore, Orci/Kurtzman, and Behr), but until they actually offer the directors' cuts Paramount can bite me.
But theatrical-only means that I'll hold off on the movies, since I prefer the later cuts of TMP and TUC. I'll probably Netflix some of the movies for the new commentaries (especially Moore, Orci/Kurtzman, and Behr), but until they actually offer the directors' cuts Paramount can bite me.
"Theatrical-only" means I'm getting these for sure.
Finally, 6 will be the theatrical cut minus the goofy Scooby-Doo ending never before available at all on home video (even on VHS), and will finally be in it's proper 2.35:1 theatrical ratio (previous DVD was 2.0:1 and the laserdisc was more like 1.8:1... damned Super35). The newer stuff added for the last DVD is worthless to me.
And, I can finally lay my widescreen laserdisc of TMP (the only other way to get the theatrical cut - well, that and the widescreen VHS that was released at one time) to rest. While I don't mind the DE in general, there are too may little things that have begun to bother me over the years about it to the point where the last time I watched it, I pulled the LD out instead of the DVD.
According to the latest Digital Bits article, TWOK apparently was the only film to get a full restoration because the original film elements had deteriorated too badly.
Finally, 6 will be the theatrical cut minus the goofy Scooby-Doo ending never before available at all on home video (even on VHS), and will finally be in it's proper 2.35:1 theatrical ratio (previous DVD was 2.0:1 and the laserdisc was more like 1.8:1... damned Super35). The newer stuff added for the last DVD is worthless to me.
And, I can finally lay my widescreen laserdisc of TMP (the only other way to get the theatrical cut - well, that and the widescreen VHS that was released at one time) to rest. While I don't mind the DE in general, there are too may little things that have begun to bother me over the years about it to the point where the last time I watched it, I pulled the LD out instead of the DVD.
According to the latest Digital Bits article, TWOK apparently was the only film to get a full restoration because the original film elements had deteriorated too badly.
GodThingFormerly
A Different Kind of Asshole
looks like i was pretty spot on in terms of the msrp pricing for these in my post last month, when someone was complaining that these were going to cost a lot.
118mspr for season one is the cheapest msrp out of any of the previous home video releases of tos. and the 106 msrp is an excellent price for the 6 movie set, in stores these will probably be had for under 65 to 90 range depeneding on where you shop in store or online
118mspr for season one is the cheapest msrp out of any of the previous home video releases of tos. and the 106 msrp is an excellent price for the 6 movie set, in stores these will probably be had for under 65 to 90 range depeneding on where you shop in store or online
You mean the character played by Rene Auberjonois ?
I certainly won't be buying any of the movies on blu-ray while the director's cuts are not being used.
TWOK is one of my favourite films of all time, but I won't waste my money on a version which doesn't explain who Peter Preston is. I've played my TWOK Director's cut DVD upscaled and it's perfectly good picture wise, so I'll be sticking with that.
As had already been said, while the box set prices are nowhere near as high as they could've been, the lack of the director's cut versions where available is good 'ol Paramount yet again arse raping the fans.
TWOK is one of my favourite films of all time, but I won't waste my money on a version which doesn't explain who Peter Preston is. I've played my TWOK Director's cut DVD upscaled and it's perfectly good picture wise, so I'll be sticking with that.
As had already been said, while the box set prices are nowhere near as high as they could've been, the lack of the director's cut versions where available is good 'ol Paramount yet again arse raping the fans.
Supposedly, all the films got varying degrees of at least some restoration work. Maybe TMP simply fared better.
If prints were struck from the camera negatives, it was probably only for the initial premier distribution release. You'd think that an interpositive would have been made by the time of the subsequent wider release distribution. But then, who knows?
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