TOS movies announced for Blu-ray !!

[Indysolo]

Not only are there inserts during the interrogation scene (white flashes to the conspirators with hard cuts back to Valeris and Spock) there is now a close up of McCoy asking "And what do you think you've been doing?". In the theatrical and original video release they stayed on the master shot and he might have even been cropped off the edge of the screen. You can't see him say this line on the original video transfer and I don't remember the theatrical presentation enough to say for sure.

I hope the new transfer fixes this glitch only viewable on the latest DVD. You can see the edge of the set and a grips hands on the left.

Neil

 

[Oso Blanco]

Not only are there inserts during the interrogation scene (white flashes to the conspirators with hard cuts back to Valeris and Spock) there is now a close up of McCoy asking "And what do you think you've been doing?"

That scene with Bones comes before the mind meld and it is in all versions of the movie, but it was a wide shot in the theatrical/vhs version.

 

[Indysolo]

Yes, I believe I said that.

Neil

 

[Oso Blanco]

Yes, I believe I said that.

Oh, sorry ... I misunderstood you. But he is not cropped off in the wide shot version.

 

[Indysolo]

While he is there, if your monitor has any sort of overscan (something that is becoming less and less common these days thank goodness) he was cut off. But back in 1992 when this movie came out on home video, you could not see McCoy in this scene.

Neil

 

[Oso Blanco]

Interesting. Three screenshots of the same scene and each one is framed differently.

 

[ChristopherPike]

Original subtitle fonts within the picture frame please. Remember Star Trek VI on VHS? Outside the frame in a strangely off center 2:1 letterbox. Closer to top half of the screen. Probably due to them just matting the 4:3 print, also put out on video.

The DVDs for ST:TMP DE & STVI have pixel generated subtitles, switchable in different languages. So no original lettering there either. ST II & III both with original captions from the theatrical print.

 

[ATimson]

The DVDs for ST:TMP DE & STVI have pixel generated subtitles, switchable in different languages. So no original lettering there either. ST II & III both with original captions from the theatrical print.

I'll be very surprised if these discs don't have player-generated subtitles; with Paramount unwilling to invest in seamless branching for the different cuts of II/VI, I don't see them bothering to do so for the subtitles either.

 

[JDF]

While he is there, if your monitor has any sort of overscan (something that is becoming less and less common these days thank goodness) he was cut off. But back in 1992 when this movie came out on home video, you could not see McCoy in this scene.

Neil

That's how I was for me too. I first had a Mitsubishi 27" CRT, and then a 50" Mits Rear Projection CRT. From my widescreen laserdisc copy and first DVD issue (which used the same transfer), I never actually saw McCoy say that line. Overscan cut him off. I've always wondered why I can hear him, but I can't see him.

 

[Indysolo]

I wonder if the new Trek II DVD will be from the new transfer. I hope it is. The previous DVD of the theatrical cut had a one frame glitch just as the Enterprise fired the first torpedo at the Reliant, right at the climax of the battle! We see Chekov push the button and then for one frame it inexplicably cut back to Shatner.

Neil

 

[Cyrus]

You mean the character played by Rene Auberjonois ?

Yeah, didn't care for that character.

 

[JDF]

Back to that bridge shot with McCoy at the very edge.

I pulled out my laserdisc to see how my 40" HDTV shows it - which I've never done until now. And, I'm keeping the 4x3 laserdisc image on a 16x9 screen so I get the side black bars. All I see is the very left edge of McCoy's head (really, only his ear) and his shoulder. He's nowhere near as much in view as his is in the DVD screen shots above. The edge of the laserdisc frame is about right at Spock's white jacket lapel strap.

 

[Indysolo]

That's all so strange. The old DVD is the same transfer as the LD. I don't know what's going on with this moment. Hopefully this new HD 2.35:1 transfer will be the last word on the framing of this movie.

Neil

 

[ATimson]

I pulled out my laserdisc to see how my 40" HDTV shows it - which I've never done until now. And, I'm keeping the 4x3 laserdisc image on a 16x9 screen so I get the side black bars. All I see is the very left edge of McCoy's head (really, only his ear) and his shoulder. He's nowhere near as much in view as his is in the DVD screen shots above. The edge of the laserdisc frame is about right at Spock's white jacket lapel strap.

I have to wonder, though: is your TV automatically applying some overscan, though, "knowing" that any 4:3 material is going to be designed to be displayed with overscan and not necessarily fill things in to the edge of the frame?

 

[ATimson]

Hopefully this new HD 2.35:1 transfer will be the last word on the framing of this movie.

No, that'll be when the "Director's Edition" (still don't know why the DVD release wasn't labelled that) hits Blu-ray.

 

[JDF]

I pulled out my laserdisc to see how my 40" HDTV shows it - which I've never done until now. And, I'm keeping the 4x3 laserdisc image on a 16x9 screen so I get the side black bars. All I see is the very left edge of McCoy's head (really, only his ear) and his shoulder. He's nowhere near as much in view as his is in the DVD screen shots above. The edge of the laserdisc frame is about right at Spock's white jacket lapel strap.

I have to wonder, though: is your TV automatically applying some overscan, though, "knowing" that any 4:3 material is going to be designed to be displayed with overscan and not necessarily fill things in to the edge of the frame?

That's quite possible. I'm not sure if there's any way around it either. At least not with what I have.

 

[Oso Blanco]

That's all so strange. The old DVD is the same transfer as the LD. I don't know what's going on with this moment. Hopefully this new HD 2.35:1 transfer will be the last word on the framing of this movie.

The first capture I posted is taken from an HD broadcast, and I think it's the same framing as the Directors Cut. I prefer this format (2:1) because it shows as much as possible (more top and bottom).

 

[Indysolo]

If Trek VI was shot "common top line" then there shouldn't be anymore information at the top of the frame.

Also, I don't like when I see more at the top since it leads to excessive amounts of headroom. Everything then just looks sloppy, from a composition standpoint.

Neil