Timeline proof.
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Well there's your problem, taking supplementary material as some sort of gospel and then not liking it when the shows "contradict" stuff they never established in the first place because it's really from some RP flavour text that probably has been out of print for 30 years.
Look, I also like a lot of the Star Wars Legends canon better than the new Disney movies (not all, the Yuuzahn Vong were definitely Star Wars Legends jumping the shark, Star Wars should never try to be Warhammer 40K) but I'm not gonna fault the "new" movies for contradicting supplementary material.
I liked all that stuff too. But despite that, the producers of TNG were under no obligation whatsoever to follow any of it. As a matter of fact, even if they did want to follow it, Roddenberry wouldn't have allowed it anyway because he invalidated anything he wasn't making money from.
I go one simpler. There's just a bunch of stories and I enjoy them or I don't.
None of it 'happened' anyway, so I don't waste any headspace thinking about timelines or canon.
All stories. Some of them suck. Some of them don't. Most of them stand somewhere between those two poles.
Same. It's nice as it's own thing. I understand that I'm 'wrong' to think that way, but I'm happy with it and don't force it down other's throats so I don't see the harm.
Timeline proof should just be putting up some temporal cladding so the critters can't get in.
I actually missed this yesterday, but I feel the need to comment, in this instance, you're looking way too hard at something that's not there. They needed a shuttle and didn't have the time or budget to render a new one, so they reused one of the Disco shuttles since that CG mesh was already sitting around. That's it. Even in the days of CG it still costs time and money to make something new and this has no more "implications on the lore in universe" than any other reused ship model in the franchise ever has.
Yep. It's no different from any time they reused an alien ship-of-the-week even though there's no logical reason why one alien race would be using the exact same ship as another unrelated alien race. Because the story is more important than the visual effects.
Indeed and various tellings there off. That's sufficient for my purposes, largely because I'm not looking at timelines when in the middle of watching a show.
Shouldn't they have all the CG Assets lying around on a computer?
Hell, Commander Cockings from TrekYards has virtually every single StarShip, StarBase, & Shuttle in Trek stored on his computer.
Why doesn't the Production Staff have access to a centralized Library of 3D assets for every single StarShip / Shuttle / StarBase ever used in Trek that was in modeled in 3D?
They do have access to legacy models, the problem is they're all in outdated formats that are a pain in the ass to get up converted to use in their modern rendering software, according to the VFX Supervisor at least.
Because different companies use different software and not all software like to talk to each other. So you have conversion, which is not a perfect process and can loose data.
It's a lot of time, money and effort to make it look right, especially in this day and age were higher resolutions mean people are combing for every detail and error.
VFX is a thankless job.
Which is why they went to STO and Eaglemoss for models in S2 and S3, as they're made in modern formats.
Why would they? I doubt they held onto the assets after the Berman era ended, and at the time Picard's first season was in production, the only assets they would have had access to were the ones from Disco. Which is also why we had other ships from Disco featured in the Children of Mars Short Trek. As it is, aside from the brief shot of the evacuation fleet early on in the season, the first time we see Starfleet ships in the first season of Picard was the "copy and paste fleet" in the finale. And the drama creating that entailed has been well documented.
Money. It's a thing studios care about, and are hesitant to spend. And if this "Commander Cockings" character does indeed have all Trek's spaceship and stations stored on his computer, the question you should be asking is why isn't he providing them for Paramount to use?
Yes! This is correct because it is the only accurate representation of things. For all the talk of "fanwank" it is the height of fanwank to make all kinds of narrative and rhetorical contortions because you can't accept that something will look different being made in 2023 instead of 1966 or because in-universe dates have to change because the franchise has been around so long.
And that would be all fine and dandy if we weren’t talking about Star Trek.
It's not like he's a hard mand to find, I'm sure if a Paramount Representative wanted to reach him, they could.
And nobody created a "PDF" equivalent neutral container format for 3D models?
Perhaps some at Paramount would rather their staff didn't associate with a YouTube channel that regularly speaks ill of their work, including wishing death upon a high ranking executive producer.
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