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Timeline proof.

And nobody created a "PDF" equivalent neutral container format for 3D models?

There are supposedly formats that are interchangeable but it seems that they are not 100% consistent or bug-free. So assuming you're able to bring all the geometry and textures over there could be added work to update the materials to work best with the new rendering engine.
 
Yes! This is correct because it is the only accurate representation of things. For all the talk of "fanwank" it is the height of fanwank to make all kinds of narrative and rhetorical contortions because you can't accept that something will look different being made in 2023 instead of 1966 or because in-universe dates have to change because the franchise has been around so long.
Once you introduce time travel the idea of one specific look is really null and void.

And nobody created a "PDF" equivalent neutral container format for 3D models?
Probably not. VFX companies are very much territorial. They like their programs and their formats and will work within those.
 
Once you introduce time travel the idea of one specific look is really null and void.


Probably not. VFX companies are very much territorial. They like their programs and their formats and will work within those.
Territorial is much too calm of a word. I imagine there wasn't a need to have to a digital vault of all the VFX works from the previous series especially ones from 20+ years ago. Perhaps if CBS/Paramount had an in-house VFX company or a production company devoted to Star Trek. Second Perhaps, what if the Roddenberry Vault was given that designation?
 
The "original" timeline is anything BEFORE the episode "The Naked Time" (TOS, Season 1, Episode 6). The moment "time travel" was discovered, that's when the "classic timeline" began to be altered. In fact, I would say that the "James T. Kirk" and the "James R. Kirk" difference was the result of some time-traveling hijinks.
 
The "original" timeline is anything BEFORE the episode "The Naked Time" (TOS, Season 1, Episode 6). The moment "time travel" was discovered, that's when the "classic timeline" began to be altered. In fact, I would say that the "James T. Kirk" and the "James R. Kirk" difference was the result of some time-traveling hijinks.
Really, if you want to get technical, the original timeline would only extend up to the first instance of time travel anywhere in the entire universe, which presumably was long before humans even evolved. Personally, I don't find the concept of an original timeline all that useful. Would the events of the "The Naked Time" even occur if the Temporal Cold War hadn't affected Archer and his crew? Maybe it would have, maybe it wouldn't have. Who can say? It may not have even happened in the original timeline.
 
The "original" timeline is anything BEFORE the episode "The Naked Time" (TOS, Season 1, Episode 6). The moment "time travel" was discovered, that's when the "classic timeline" began to be altered. In fact, I would say that the "James T. Kirk" and the "James R. Kirk" difference was the result of some time-traveling hijinks.

I agree. Plus the Department of Temporal Investigations (DTI) probably didn't exist during TOS so the DTI probably didn't have a good baseline of what the TOS timeline should look like and only that certain things have to happen to restore what DTI's current timeline looked like. YMMV.
 
First, based on recent episodes of SNW, the "timeline" is in a state a flux. Secondly, based on the TNG episode "Parallels", there are an infinite number of timelines that exists. With that said, I see a scenario where Michael Burnham and company's "past" get totally altered, and would not have any effect on them or their "present". This would explain why the Enterprise in DISC looks so different and more "advanced" than the Enterprise depicted in SNW. We, the audience, are looking at one "track" of the Prime Timeline. And, honestly? I can see a scenario where DISC would be "written out" of the lore completely, within the context of the lore:
  • Michael Burnham's family was not attacked by Klingons, thereby Michael was never adopted by Ambassador Sarek.
  • The Spore Drive Project was never authorized, resulting in Lt. Commander Paul Stamats mental breakdown and subsequent institutionalization at the New Zealand Penal Colony
And the thing is that, out there, in a future that no longer connects to the present and the past-past, there still will be a Michael Burnham who was adopted by Sarek, and there still will be a Stamats in charge of the Spore Drive Progject. Anything is possible within a flux-timeline.
 
It makes me a little sad that SNW has now retconned the Prime Universe so that TOS and everything else is now something that didn't/won't happen. Or at least won't happen the same way.

In its quiet way, Tomorrow and tomorrow was o e of Treks most important episodes. It can free SNW to do as it pleases now.

I wish it were an alternative timeline, but that's not what the episode says.
what would be the difference between an "alternative" and altered timeline. I view the events that occured in s2 e3 as altered events, which to me is the same thing as a new timeline.
 
what would be the difference between an "alternative" and altered timeline. I view the events that occured in s2 e3 as altered events, which to me is the same thing as a new timeline.
Alternative suggests a parallel timeline running concurrently with the ‘prime’ timeline, like the Mirror Universe or the Kelvin timeline.

Altered is where a change rewrites the prime timeline. This is usually how time travel is depicted in Star Trek, because obviously it provides more dramatic peril. E.g. City on the Edge of Forever, Yesterday’s Enterprise, Past Tense, Year of Hell, First Contact, Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow.

The implication is that SNW is the same old prime timeline, it’s just a little different due to some time meddling. TOS still happens/happened.
 
Being a TOS fan from when it first got aired in the UK in the mid 70's, I certainly understand the whole timeline/canon stuff.
Back then (and into the preTNG 80's) we had TOS, TAS and the first few TOS movies. Which along with the original Spaceflight Chronology, FASA Star Trek roleplaying game and the superlative "The Final Reflection" by John M Ford made for a pretty consistent interlocking setting. Those felt like halcyon days.
TNG reinvented (contradicted) most of that, and we are where we are today.
I am proud to say "my" Trek setting is still back there but I still recognise that is an out of date, grumpy-old-man, NIMBY, grognard point of view, no longer worth arguing over.
But one that I think many still share.

Yas.

There was little finer in Trek than John M. Ford's Klingons from The Final Reflection being made the Klingons of the FASA RPG era.

And yes, TNG shat on most of it. Great opportunities were missed. :(
 
GIven that the "temporal wars" exist, it can be argued that there is no original timeline.

There is: the timeline that existed until the first civilization anywhere in the universe experienced its first temporal displacement event of any kind. Then all bets are off. It probably happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, and so Earth having life itself is probably the result of someone meddling in their own past. Butterfly effect on a cosmic scale, yada yada.
 
I used to be hardcore in favor of a single, consistent, unified Trek timeline. Then with all this talk of the Temporal Wars, I understood that no such timeline is possible. Hell, for all we know, even TOS could be the result of temporal meddling. Once I realized that, everything got a lot easier to deal with.
 
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The GoF was built long before our sun burned hot in space... you can imagine ancient aliens changing history all the time (:D) for billions of years. Well no, you can't, but you know what I mean. :D
 
What is the opposite of the butterfly effect? So instead of one social worker killed=no Federation, its move a major war 50 years and everyone gets cooler ships. I guess its the "time is a river" theory. I'm trying to think on an example in Trek before TomorrowX3. Perhaps Year of Hell? His family always dies?
 
The implication is that SNW is the same old prime timeline, it’s just a little different due to some time meddling. TOS still happens/happened.

But wouldn't that by your definition make SNW not the same old prime timeline? Wouldn't that make it an altered timeline? And that TOS as we experienced it has now been erased?
 
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