Spoilers Timeless Season 2 - SPOILERS

[LJones41]

Any chance that Flynn is a sleeper agent from a future Rittenhouse?

I doubt it very much.

However sympathetic his motives and goals, he's still a multiple murderer and temporal terrorist. He's crossed too many lines, and while I can accept the team working with him for the greater good, I really don't see him as suitable romance material for anyone.

Wyatt had went back in time to erase a guy from history because he wanted to resurrect Jessica. And he ended up killing someone. Even Lucy has killed an innocent in the name of maintaining her goal. Perhaps not as much as Flynn, but she has done it.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Something just occurred to me: Flynn mentioned how he feels like he knows Lucy because of the future diary that she will give him. By getting closer to Lucy, is Flynn just playing out what the diary already told him will happen between them?

 

[Christopher]

Something just occurred to me: Flynn mentioned how he feels like he knows Lucy because of the future diary that she will give him. By getting closer to Lucy, is Flynn just playing out what the diary already told him will happen between them?

And once again, this show can't make up its mind whether the future is predestined or infinitely changeable. You can't have it both ways. A time loop requires time to end up back where it started; otherwise it's not a loop, just an open curve.

 

[UssGlenn]

Well, every time the past is changed while Flynn isn't traveling his copy of the diary and memories update to whatever the new version of reality is. Maybe last month Lucy and Flynn never get close but now the diary reflects the new future.

 

[Mr Awe]

Something just occurred to me: Flynn mentioned how he feels like he knows Lucy because of the future diary that she will give him. By getting closer to Lucy, is Flynn just playing out what the diary already told him will happen between them?

It seems like there are several possibilities. For one thing, it seems like Flynn must be from the future. I wouldn't totally discount the possibility that he's a sleeper agent from a future Rittenhouse--who may not have completely the same agenda as the modern Rittenhouse.

At any rate, if he's from the future, he may have lived it and already had a connection with Lucy. Or, maybe he's using the diary as a guide. But, we've seen history change based on their actions. It's possible that the timeline has already changed enough to make the diary only useful as a rough guide? Even if the changes aren't that extreme, we know it's only a guide of one possible timeline. Maybe the diary shows how they got together and he's recreating that? Or, maybe it shows him how it didn't work and he's trying to take a different route?

I think the latter alternative would be more interesting--particularly if it works. And it seems to be.

 

[Christopher]

Well, every time the past is changed while Flynn isn't traveling his copy of the diary and memories update to whatever the new version of reality is. Maybe last month Lucy and Flynn never get close but now the diary reflects the new future.

Then that renders the diary completely meaningless as a way of predicting Lucy's future. It's contradictory. All along, Flynn has been saying "I know what will happen/what you will do because it's in the diary." If time is always changing and will continue to change, then that statement cannot be valid, because whatever future it describes today won't be the same future that happens after the next time journey, which makes it no more useful at prediction than tea leaves or newspaper horoscopes.

 

[Mr Awe]

The diary is an object that is from the future but in it's own past. I don't think we know how the time travel rules of the show apply to it. It might be an unchanging source of information about one possible timeline (the one it came from). If so, that should provide valuable information about what worked or didn't work depending on how that timeline went. We can already see him using information from it about that song to influence Lucy. And, it worked.

 

[RJDiogenes]

"That was my 'Yeah.'"

So the lifeboat is now stable with four passengers (too late to do Jiya any good), and just in time for Connor Mason to save the Counterculture-- and get his own mojo back in the process. Good for him. That was a fun little adventure to the 1930s, with some cool Blues and a nice look at cutting-edge record-making technology.

Back in the present, Christopher actually sent Wyatt Bond on a surgical strike against Rittenhouse and he managed to unload some hurt on them. Didn't see that coming (not before they put spoilers in the capsule description, anyway).

Meanwhile-- as if that word has any meaning here-- we were reminded of the journal that Lucy wrote, or will have written, that she somehow passed on to Flynn. Did we ever find out how that happened? Is this Flynn from the future or did Flynn travel into the future at some point? If so, how can you travel into your own future if you can't travel into your own past? Anyway, Lucy appears to be coming around to the idea that she and Flynn can be bosom buddies, given the tipsy booty call there at the end. But he is kind of a sexy rascal, isn't he?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Flynn claimed that "old" Lucy gave it to him.

This has been the only time that time-travelers have met out of sequence so far.

Lucy's mum gave Lucy an empty journal (which we were lead to believe was the same physical object as the filled up Journal that Flynn gave her) in mid season one.

Any changes to the timeline should maybe only effect That version of the journal?

 

[Jayson1]

I was thinking of something. With all the changes to the past wouldn't Lucy being a Historian be irrelevant now? I mean all the things she knew about history should be useless since most of it must have changed or been altered in away that only someone from the new timeline who is also into history would know what had happened back in the past.

Jason

 

[Guy Gardener]

She's drinking with the fellah who killed Lincoln.

 

[FreezeC77]

I was thinking of something. With all the changes to the past wouldn't Lucy being a Historian be irrelevant now? I mean all the things she knew about history should be useless since most of it must have changed or been altered in away that only someone from the new timeline who is also into history would know what had happened back in the past.

Jason

Well at least with JFK the old Lucy was rewritten in the timeline since she didn't return him to the past. So for the first? time she has correct knowledge of the timeline and JFK being assassinated in Austin. Of course she still didn't experience the dozens of changes to history which happened with her outside the timeline.

She's drinking with the fellah who killed Lincoln.

Honestly... That episode really bugged me. Saving Lincoln would have massive ramifications to the timeline. Flynn did the right thing.

 

[Guy Gardener]

NO? Flynn's plan was to kill 5 guys. The key members of Lincoln's Government to pull down the entire Union, and therefore shake the past so much that Rittenhouse would be impossible, or have different plans that did not involve killing Flynn's wife.

 

[Jayson1]

Well at least with JFK the old Lucy was rewritten in the timeline since she didn't return him to the past. So for the first? time she has correct knowledge of the timeline and JFK being assassinated in Austin. Of course she still didn't experience the dozens of changes to history which happened with her outside the timeline.



Honestly... That episode really bugged me. Saving Lincoln would have massive ramifications to the timeline. Flynn did the right thing.

Couldn't they just "Freejack" some of these people who died in the past and were suppose to die and bring them to the future to live? I know someone would have to stay behind but you could just make a return trip to pick him or her up.

Jason

 

[Christopher]

Couldn't they just "Freejack" some of these people who died in the past and were suppose to die and bring them to the future to live? I know someone would have to stay behind but you could just make a return trip to pick him or her up.

Freejack, huh? I've heard of that one but never actually seen it. The comparison I would've used was John Varley's Millennium, or "Air Raid," the story it was based on. There's also "Profile in Silver" from the '80s Twilight Zone, with Andrew Robinson as JFK.

 

[Greg Cox]

Trivia: Freejack, the movie, was actually based on a novel Immortality Inc. by Robert Sheckley. Tor actually published a movie tie-in edition of the original novel when the movie came out.

 

[LJones41]

I wonder how Rittenhouse discovered that Jessica might prove to be Wyatt's Achilles' heel. The organization could not have learned this from Jessica, judging from her comments about their marriage. Or the fact that Wyatt had said nothing to dispel her. I have two suspects - Garcia Flynn or Connor Mason.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ Flynn would make sense if he's a sleeper agent from a future Rittenhouse . . . or just interested in Lucy! I don't see Mason.

 

[UssGlenn]

I wonder how Rittenhouse discovered that Jessica might prove to be Wyatt's Achilles' heel. The organization could not have learned this from Jessica, judging from her comments about their marriage. Or the fact that Wyatt had said nothing to dispel her. I have two suspects - Garcia Flynn or Connor Mason.

As soon as Rittenhouse noticed the lengths Wyatt would go to to save her, they would know she's his pressure point. Does there need to be a spy on the inside for them to find out he stole the time machine to kill a guy in the past?

 

[marillion]

That was my favorite episode so far. I have long been a fan of Robert Johnson and his influence on music.... Sucks that they killed Don Law, seeing as the real Don didn’t die until 1982.

The mythos around johnson’s life is incredible...