Spoilers Things that grind my gears about S3

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  1. fireproof78

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    I would say it was, but now how it was hidden was known opens up greater risk.
    Exactly so.
     
  2. SJGardner

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    Blowing themselves up was not a glitch, it was a feature. Probably because they knew the Regulators wouldn't be so merciful to them after Burnham killed Osyraa. The Viridian continuing to fire on a practically immobile ship trapped in its hold presented the very real risk that they would lose their shields and get boarded again. If they couldn't jump out, there was no way they would've survived.
     
  3. The Wormhole

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    Besides, I thought one of the points they were trying to make was that Starfleet doesn't have a proper intelligence file on the outside galaxy these days. After all, Osyrra was the one to inform Vance about a Starfleet Deep Space outpost which was now engaging capitalism and was in regular contact with the Chain but hadn't been in contact with Starfleet Command and close to ninety years. If Starfleet Command is that cutoff from its own people, they can understandably be ignorant about the Emerald Chain, with whom they've maintained a rather antagonistic relationship with.
    What reason is there to believe those fleets posed a threat to them? The Viridian was never running from those fleets, they were running after Disco, the fleets just joined in the chase.
     
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    I know that. I also know that almost everyone that first tried to use a manual-transmission car for the first time didn’t manage to turn it on properly on the first attempt. Great luck the spore drive is automatic!
     
  5. nic3636

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    Another thing that grinds my gears about S3. Apparently there was a trans warp conduit that allowed travel from Federation HQ to a planet full of dilithium (with a distress call coming out of it) in a matter of minutes. But the Federation never found it in 100 years. It's like, if you are going to establish that the burn makes space travel hard and have that be the central premise of the season, don't hand wave it away the second the plot needs you to get from point A to point B in under 5 minutes.

    Also, the child's scream destroyed all the dilithium in the galaxy, but the dilithium on that planet was fine? The story was just so weak on so many levels.

    I did like how they made Osyrra a little more nuanced in the penultimate episode looking for peace, but then she was back to a cartoon villain in the finale. What a letdown.
     
  6. fireproof78

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    Man, Trek has never stated something has never been done before and then done it anyway!
    Yes, because the dilithium wasn't actively in use at the time. That was in the story.
     
  7. jackoverfull

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    the fact that discovery, under Osyraa’s control, and the viridian escaped instead of just destroying the HQs.
     
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    Osyraa is a pragmatist. Capture the Discovery, then go back and take over the assets of Stafleet HQ.
     
  9. jackoverfull

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    this was explained (sort of), actually: he didn’t destroy the dilithium, he made it temporarily inert, causing the matter-antimatter reaction to destroy warp cores. Agreed on the other points you make.
     
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    The only reason they didn't destroy HQ was because Michael surrendered to Osyrra to spare HQ. All that proves is that Osyrra does have some sort of honor code, not that she was intimidated by the combined Starfleet Ni'var armada.
     
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    i don’t remember this. Actually I remember the opposite (Discovery not being destroyed on Michael’s plea).
     
  12. SJGardner

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    Rather, a great luck that Discovery is a fictional narrative! Otherwise, there would be no way any Starfleet officer would be able to fly an alien vessel or use a completely unknown alien computer interface written in an alien language and successfully input complex commands on their first try, but here, they somehow do it all the time.
     
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    Reminds me of "The Naked Time." Spock keeps telling Kirk it can't be done but of course they do it. What luck!
     
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    Osyrra was in contact with the Viridian telling them to launch their pesticide on Federation HQ's civilian population until Michael surrendered on condition that Osyrra call of the pesticide attack, at which point Osyrra called off the pesticide attack.
     
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    As seen in the episode, it was risky to use. So space travel...still hard.
     
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    You just made that up. If you want to be critical of something, criticize it on its merits not for something it didn't do.
     
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    Ok, yes I missed the part about the scream just making the dilithium temporarily inert, so I will concede this point.

    Still feels like lazy writing to me. It also didn't seem that hard but, maybe Book is just an amazing pilot and his morph ship is truly one of a kind.
     
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  18. SJGardner

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    His ship is also quite small. It's possible a huge capital ship wouldn't have been capable of avoiding all the debris so easily.
     
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    They mention them previously along with other nondilithium based ways to travel. So it's hardly out of the blue or lazy. Looked kind of difficult what with all the debris in the way.
    Yeah, he's an amazing pilot, as shown in all the other episodes, This is not news. The ship is only as good as it's pilot.
     
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    Maybe, but didn't Osyrra's massive ship fly through one of those things to get to the nebula?