Spoilers Things that grind my gears about S3

[jackoverfull]

Except you're talking about actual technology and we're talking about fantasy technology.

I guess that fantasy technology can’t evolve in a millennia even when actual technology does it in decades.

d go so far as to strongly consider using the phrase 'jumping the shark'.

whatever.

I'd also strongly consider the phrase 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'; why did someone think this was a good idea for the show?

Because it is. See below.

What does it do for the show?

it shows something that is actually more advanced, which is otherwise something sorely missing from this season.

 

[eschaton]

it shows something that is actually more advanced, which is otherwise something sorely missing from this season.

There's any number of smarter ways they could have done that however. Like say having future humanity hybridized with synths and holograms? Or self-aware ships that are members of the Federation? Entire civilizations which only exist inside virtual space? Any number of interesting posthuman scenarios which the series totally eschewed.

 

[fireproof78]

So, because they didn't do things a certain way to look more advanced therefore it is less advanced?

 

[fireproof78]

And newer is sometimes is just that-new. Neither good, nor bad, not worse, not better.

 

[jackoverfull]

There's any number of smarter ways they could have done that however. Like say having future humanity hybridized with synths and holograms? Or self-aware ships that are members of the Federation? Entire civilizations which only exist inside virtual space? Any number of interesting posthuman scenarios which the series totally eschewed.

No doubt. Still something is better than nothing.

 

[darrenjl]

There's any number of smarter ways they could have done that however. Like say having future humanity hybridized with synths and holograms? Or self-aware ships that are members of the Federation? Entire civilizations which only exist inside virtual space? Any number of interesting posthuman scenarios which the series totally eschewed.

These could well turn up. For a moment I wondered if Aditya Sahil was a synth hologram when he first appeared; even Vance might not be fully human, whatever human is in the 32nd century.

The Starfleet ship that looks like a forest on a donut could well be a self-aware ecosystem that is a sentient species that Starfleet are guardians of.

 

[F. King Daniel]

There's any number of smarter ways they could have done that however. Like say having future humanity hybridized with synths and holograms? Or self-aware ships that are members of the Federation? Entire civilizations which only exist inside virtual space? Any number of interesting posthuman scenarios which the series totally eschewed.

I think they're really afraid of messing the status quo of Trek up. I really wanted to see them transwarp beaming across the galaxy with the tap of a badge, curing all illness and reversing ageing every jump. See humanity evolve with the technology at their disposal.

But instead we got the same stuff as ever.

 

[fireproof78]

I think they're really afraid of messing the status quo of Trek up.

Yup. They did just enough to show it being slightly higher tech, just like they did with the ENT-D. Phasers still phasers, warp still warps, transporters still transporting.

 

[The Wormhole]

5 - I can only explain this away as a mistake, they used the wrong footage.

You think they used the wrong footage all six times we've seen the funhouse turbolifts?

 

[Richard S. Ta]

To me, detached nacelles make a ship less fragile, not more. What's fragile is those thin 'struts' that all Starfleet ships have. You know, the two thinnest parts of the ship that have those heavy engines balanced at the end. See TWOK for how easy it is to disable a ship by just cutting a nacelle off. If they are held on by future magic (and I say that not to disparage, but rather to admit my own lack of understanding) they are much harder to truly remove from a ship in battle. I think.

 

[jackoverfull]

Also un beyond the fragility of the neck is in te foreground.

 

[F. King Daniel]

You think they used the wrong footage all six times we've seen the funhouse turbolifts?

I cannot wait until they have to do an evacuate-the-aliens episode and someone says "There's no way we can fit all of them on Discovery!"

 

[Quinton]

The frakkers could fit Babylons 4 and 5 in there.

 

[Amasov]

Then why did the writers push Discovery into the 32nd century?
Its precisely to give way to something new/fresh.
Besides, Trek should be able to prompt people to THINK... meaning, setting things closer to home won't really do that because you end up repeating things ad-nauesum.

Its about broadening people's minds on technology and science as much as it is for changes on a social level and help them to envision a brighter tomorrow, not just far into the future, but also TODAY.

What was it that Carl Sagan said?
"“We have designed our civilization based on science and technology and at the same time arranged things so that almost no one understands anything at all about science and technology. This is a clear prescription for disaster”.

Why not make 32nd century Trek go beyond what current Trek did?
It can still contain usual Scifi stuff people are accustomed to... but done differently... more in line with the Federation actual technical and scientific potential brought forth (as much as its currently possible to stretch our imaginations).

Even what I described would likely be invalidated in a short time from now... but at the very least, I've tried to stretch past what we saw and into something that a combination of societies with the technologies they have could actually accomplish in a small time frame.

Heck, I did mention that a lot of the stuff we saw in terms of technology from the 32nd century should have already been a thing in the 24th and 25th... with the 32nd century being on a whole different playing field.

I think by now, Discovery has more than demonstrated that it is the Star Trek show where there are always big stakes. The fate of the Federation or the galaxy has been on the line for three seasons in a row now and I think that's something they couldn't repeatedly do in the era where the show was originally set because it could potentially overshadow the events and heroic crews of the shows that are set after it. Plus with Strange New Worlds being set during this time, that potentially takes away from the importance of the Enterprise; known throughout history as one of the most famous Starfleet vessels. If Discovery was the one hopping around saving the universe at every turn, what the hell is Pike and his crew doing this whole time?

Everyone always seems to have some logistical problems with prequels in that because the words USS Discovery or NX-01 Enterprise were never uttered on any series BEFORE those shows were created, they are instantly canon violations or set in some alternate reality separate from the "prime" universe. And while I am the first to step in and accept the fact that the REALITY is that the shows were just created AFTER the others that are set later on in the timeline, if Discovery, the ship and crew, participated in so many events where the fate of the universe was at hand while remaining in the 23rd century, eventually you reach a point and wonder how Picard or Kirk doesn't mention it.

 

[RAMA]

Update: Take stress pill. Relax.

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RAMA

 

[Agony_Boothb]

if Discovery, the ship and crew, participated in so many events where the fate of the universe was at hand while remaining in the 23rd century, eventually you reach a point and wonder how Picard or Kirk doesn't mention it.

I guess the same way most people just don't casually mention the actions of modern day Naval Warships in general conversation.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I guess the same way most people just don't casually mention the actions of modern day Naval Warships in general conversation.

Well a certain cargo ship came up a few times recently

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

always seems to have some logistical problems with prequels in that because the words USS Discovery or NX-01 Enterprise were never uttered on any series BEFORE

No issue with Discovery as Starfleet has loads of ships and disasters to avert over the years and it's not like TNG needs to list them all. Calling the NX-01 the Enterprise really bugged me though and kinda set me against the show from the off cause it looked like a sad attempt at memberberries

 

[fireproof78]

I guess the same way most people just don't casually mention the actions of modern day Naval Warships in general conversation.

Yup. How many major events go on in the real world that the average person just don't talk about? And even major historical events largely get ignored, even with someone like me who thoroughly enjoys history and stuff like the Battle of Marathon, or the Second Battle of Bull Run. Most people will look at me cross-eyed if I mention the historical significance.