"These Are the Voyages" as a 'true' series finale

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Enterprise' started by Damian, Jan 13, 2019.

  1. 1001001

    1001001 I Like the Nightlife, Baby! Moderator

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    So, you're saying you didn't care for it?

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  2. Kor

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    If Riker had gone back in time and kissed the actual T'Pol without her consent while she was physically unable to move, then it would have been problematic. But this was a non-sentient holographic projection. I imagine we would all do stuff on the holodeck that we would never do in real life.

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  3. Prax

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    Keep in mind, T'Pol is twice his age. It's like giving grandma a kiss.



    ...well...maybe not quite like that
     
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  4. HopefulRomantic

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    The whole crew was a bunch of holographic projections! It was their final show and they weren't even there! They were reduced to bunch of holo-puppets for Riker to play house with, totally unrecognizable as our beloved crew. Trip, after being all clever and MacGyvery in the previous episode, committing suicide in a dopey stunt worthy of the Darwin Award Hall of Fame? Hoshi complaining about her nosebleed seat? Trip and T'Pol apparently breaking up like 5 minutes after that last scene in Terra Prime, so sad but beautifully hopeful? And then Riker, the interloper, the buttinski who can't figure his way out of his little moral dilemma without stomping through a ghastly parody of my Enterprise world (sheesh, no wonder he kept turning down ship commands), I have to watch this wembler maul T'Pol???

    YES IT WAS PROBLEMATIC FOR ME.

    Brain scrub! Augh! :barf:

    My dear gentle members, you can't put lipstick on a pig. Try as you might, you will never get The Thing to work for me. It was a bleeping train wreck.
     
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  5. King Daniel Beyond

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    Lock up your daughters, Riker and Troi are back to ruin another Trek series!:lol:

    (Maybe they'll sneak in a reference to inaccurate historical holorograms and all will be forgiven)
     
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  6. suarezguy

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    '09 was really successful, the sequels not so successful considering what they cost to make.

    Even without Riker and Troi appearing in the finale, jumping 6 years ahead would have been very odd and would have resulted in a lot of choices and decisions about what happened to the characters being very love it or hate it. In particular a lot of the fans would have hated if, even if Trip hadn't died, the finale did reveal that he and T'Pol hadn't gotten together.
     
  7. dreamsaremadeofthis

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    First, I enjoyed the finale.
    Second, Trip would have been suffering in agonizing pain from his injuries. When he winked and smiled at Archer, there was no pain in his face.
    Third, immediately after Trip winked and smiled at Archer, Archer looked straight at Phlox with a knowing eyes. I have always believed his death was faked.
    The lack of T'Pol's reaction as she packed up Trip's things - well, she wasn't really non-reactive. She smelled of his uniform. She wanted to meet his parents. I believe she wanted to meet them for a reason. They had already lost his sister, Elizabeth. T'Pol didn't look the way I'd think she would if she knew he was dead. I believe she, Archer, and Phlox were in on it.
    I just watched it for maybe the fourth time last night on H&I. I own the series, and this episode is one of my faves.
     
  8. JesterFace

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    It's been many years since I last visited ENT. I guess mostly because my ENT DVDs are in crap condition.
    What does this have to do with this topic?
    Now that the series is available online I plan to watch it in the near future but I might not revisit this episode.
    I have to find something to replace it as series finale.
     
  9. Phoenix219

    Phoenix219 Commodore Commodore

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    Post series, you have to watch the fanfilm Horizon.
     
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  10. dreamsaremadeofthis

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    Further, T'Pol not long before had grabbed Trip and kissed him and asked him not to go back to the Columbia. And in the finale, Trip was pointedly adamant that he and T'Pol would always be in touch. Plus - Trip and T'Pol were bonded. She would know immediately any time he was injured, and definitely if he were dying or dead. She did not respond to his injury nor death in that way.
     
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  11. WebLurker

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    It was a holodeck simulation, not an archived recording or a flashback to the real events.
     
  12. Prax

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    There's a God camera that's omnipresent and always recording, and allows them to recreate events completely and perfectly.
     
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  13. King Daniel Beyond

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    Except in episodes like "The Minagerie" where they're all stunned that there is footage of "The Cage"

    Then skip ahead to Star Trek III and they have flight recorder footage from the Enterprise complete with camera angle changes and zooms (i.e. footage from Star Trek II)
     
  14. at Quark's

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    This episode is an example where the mock title "These Are the Voyeurs" would actually have fitted better.
     
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  15. Prax

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    They didn't learn how to access the god camera until the late 23rd century.
     
  16. dreamsaremadeofthis

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    And we know that's true from TOS "Court Martial."
     
  17. bookworm8571

    bookworm8571 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I refuse to watch that episode. For me, it does not exist. From what I have heard, I doubt removing the Star Trek Next Generation characters would have improved it or made it make sense.
     
  18. Reanok

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    Worst episode and excuse for a finale ever.Connor and Jolene refused to go the wrap party to watch that finale. Anthony Montgomery refuses to watch it too. Jonathan Frakes said in a youtube video video he thought the Enterprise cast were treated badly just being hologram characters in their own finale.Brannon Braga says the only time Scott Backula was mad at him and lost his temper was after he read the script for the finale and called and told Brannon what he thought of it.Years later he and Berman admitted it was a big mistake and they shouldn't have done that crappy finale.
     
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  19. dreamsaremadeofthis

    dreamsaremadeofthis Cadet Newbie

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    I still liked it and enjoyed it. I save all my ST outrage for the movie Generations and disgusting insult it was to Captain Kirk. And I was 13 in 1966 when ST was new and I went through decades of all the series and movies. Generations puts any complaint I have against anything ST in perspective.
     
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  20. fireproof78

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    Where do you think they got the idea?