"These are the Voyages" seems to be one of the most hated episodes of Star Trek history, at least judging by the intense dislike, even hatred it engenders. Even Voyager's "Threshold" doesn't seem to fare as badly among fans (though it is close). I can sympathize, I dislike it myself and rather consider the Terra Prime episodes a proper series ending. I can watch TATV in a different light since I read the novels and they retold TATV in a different light (but that's a different topic for another day). I've read thread's about would it have been as bad had it been a middle season episode. Usually it seems that only raises it to slightly less hated, but it doesn't really fare much better that I can tell. But what about a different route. First remove TNG elements from it. Let's just take the Riker/Troi part of the story completely out. Next, let's assume now Enterprise had a normal 7 year run. They fought the Romulan War and maybe an episode or two before the end won the war, and now the Coalition is forming the Federation. Maybe add some dialogue about the war (it always mystified me that TATV as is never mentioned one word about the war, which apparently occurred prior to TATV). Would TATV, after a full 7 year show, and with the TNG elements removed, be better received under those circumstances? I'm sorry, I should have added a poll question but forgot (I don't think I can do it now). Oh, well. If anyone has any comments I'd be curious.