That's all right, man. Just let Carol get suited up.
The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion
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I've been missing Carol, her absence has been conspicuous these last couple of episodes.
Well, your very interesting post spits the handling of the heroes down the middle for story purposes.
One one hand, yes, they are an elite killing squad who eliminate by death (or other means) most, if not all of:
- Randal's gang.
- Prison criminals Tomas and Andrew (although technically, Oscar was the one who killed Andrew).
- The Governor, part 1.
- The Governor, part 2.
- Joe's claimed gang.
- Terminus.
- Grady Memorial Hospital's corrupt police.
- The Wolves.
- Part of Negan's soldiers.
Well, that almost cancels out what I said above, because when Wonder Carol gets going, stuff blows up, kids die, and the sick need to stop coughing! She's ready to clean house...all over the nation!
Well yeah, I know there has to be drama, and it's only natural that they might encounter bigger threats or experience losses along the way, but it'd still be nice to see them able to quickly overwhelm and subdue at least SOME groups now and then without losing two or three people in the process (or without doing something stupid like at Terminus where they waltzed right into an ambush).
Well, that almost cancels out what I said above, because when Wonder Carol gets going, stuff blows up, kids die, and the sick need to stop coughing! She's ready to clean house...all over the nation!
And she'll do it all with a strategically aimed bottle rocket.
To be fair, only part of the group waltzed into the ambush. Rick's group reconned the place first and went in with weapons ready. They were just outnumbered.
But they were smart enough to hide a weapons cache, with which The Mighty Carol verily smote the Termites. Long may she wave.
It's interesting how confidently Rick seemed to think they could take out "The Saviors", yeah they've done pretty good against other threats but with most often with losses. The battle(s) at the prison saw the loss of several people, and, Rick, you and everyone else were moments away from being executed at Terminus before Carol created her distraction. Yeah, you came out of that on top, and ultimately on top in taking care of the rest of the Termites, but that one was a hard-fought win.
Is what The Hilltop has really worth the potential loss of life of your crew? Especially when facing up against unknown numbers? I'd think it be easier to work harder on your farming and going out on further runs to find food and supplies, no need to help these people if their jackass 1%'er leader doesn't want to deal in trade and mutual benefit and would rather be insulting and willing to provide supplies in trade for slave-labor. I'd have expected a more mutually beneficial arrangement between the two and Negan putting himself in the middle.
Is what The Hilltop has really worth the potential loss of life of your crew? Especially when facing up against unknown numbers? I'd think it be easier to work harder on your farming and going out on further runs to find food and supplies, no need to help these people if their jackass 1%'er leader doesn't want to deal in trade and mutual benefit and would rather be insulting and willing to provide supplies in trade for slave-labor. I'd have expected a more mutually beneficial arrangement between the two and Negan putting himself in the middle.
What was the point of all that Abraham stuff? It can't be as simple as... we're gonna kill him so here's some weird existentialist self-reflection.
Going after Negan - and so arrogantly - is a dumb idea. The Wolves showed up, caused mayhem and they didn't go looking for them afterwards. They just got slaughtered in their own back yard and then ignored them. They're still out there, you know.
Yet, apparently they're gonna go hunt down what is presumably a well-armed and organised group? If you fail, they're coming to (a weakly defended) Alexandria.
At this point, I'd rather just see Rick's group kill Negan with ease.
Going after Negan - and so arrogantly - is a dumb idea. The Wolves showed up, caused mayhem and they didn't go looking for them afterwards. They just got slaughtered in their own back yard and then ignored them. They're still out there, you know.
Yet, apparently they're gonna go hunt down what is presumably a well-armed and organised group? If you fail, they're coming to (a weakly defended) Alexandria.
At this point, I'd rather just see Rick's group kill Negan with ease.
Is it worth it? Well, yeah. The deal takes care of immediate needs (food, medicine) and deals proactively with a potential threat.
No matter how good you are at it, growing food takes time, time ASZ doesn't really have before rations run out. The last time they went out on a run is how they ended up in this situation. Hilltop has what they need, and they have muscle Hilltop lacks, and both communities need Negan gone. It's not an ideal situation, but it beats the alternatives, namely:
-Starving to death.
-Taking over the town violently like they almost did in ASZ. I doubt anyone has the stomach for that now.
-Leaving Hilltop screwed because their leader is a dick. Yes, he's a dick, but since they went out of their way to save his life the next time Negan will just take the town and kill everybody else...and Rick and co. still won't get the food.
It must seem like a fool's errand, but really, Rick and Co. have one thing in spades: practical experience at taking out their enemies. It isn't always clean, or elegant and of course they suffer losses, but the group WINS, and with each victory they get better at it. I don't consider them saying "We handle confrontation" arrogant or bragging...it's just a statement of fact. when pushed into a corner and given the choice fight or surrender, they rally and fight.
I say they have a good chance at winning.
(Course, I ain't the one writing the show...
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..or it could be that HE is ready to settle in life, but the one to go will be Rosita (conveniently comfy relationship stuff we have not witnessed since they arrived at the ASZ in season 5), or Sasha.
...or something will happen to someone else trying to make a better life (Maggie or Glenn), so he will become fatalistic again, perhaps taking him right back to the suicidal point he was at when Eugene met him.
It must seem like a fool's errand, but really, Rick and Co. have one thing in spades: practical experience at taking out their enemies. It isn't always clean, or elegant and of course they suffer losses, but the group WINS, and with each victory they get better at it. I don't consider them saying "We handle confrontation" arrogant or bragging...it's just a statement of fact. when pushed into a corner and given the choice fight or surrender, they rally and fight.
I say they have a good chance at winning.
(Course, I ain't the one writing the show...
After a time, one has to weigh their options--yes, they need food, and need to protect themselves, but in nearly every conflict they've had, a major personal loss was the end result:
- Prison Andrew: his actions separated Lori from Hershel, and the stress probably triggered labor, and a guaranteed death by C-section.
- Governor 1: Andrea.
- Governor 2: Hershel.
- Terminus: Bob was bitten, only because their escape route took them to Gabriel's church, then the food pantry.
- Grady Memorial: Beth.
Yeah, I thought that was another bat-wink to the fans.
I think that Abraham "saw" his wife when he was being choked just like that other guy said he saw his wife when death was near. That might have made him a little more sympathetic to the sonogram picture and Maggie and Glen's decision. He'd been dragging around the tragedy of his family and now maybe he can begin to move on and take a chance on love again. He doesn't act like he cares that much about Rosita, he just uses her for sex and refers to sex with her in a detached way. It's Sasha he's attracted to.
Yeah. I had the same thoughts, that and the stuff with the sonogram photo.... Yeah, I don't think things are going to be pretty.
That makes some sense, but his entire story and "arc" in this episode just sort-of seemed out of place with everything else going on.
The set designers really do a fantastic job making their Hilltop look like its comic-book counterpart. And Xander Berkley as the Hilltop leader? Pretty darn awesome!
Maybe I wasn't paying attention as much as I should have to the dialog during that scene but I thought he was saying that he literally saw his wife (as a walker) and that's what caused the accident. I'll have to check out that part on the rerun next week.
I took it to mean that he realised his feelings for Sasha were real whereas his relationship with Rosita was purely based on trying to live life to the full before your imminent and inevitable death in the zombie apocalypse. He was opening his eyes to the possibility that life could be genuinely worth living again.
Why they did it in such a ham-fisted way is the only thing I don't understand (unless he is - as I said - next for the chop).
I say again, yes. Either you lose them in battle or you lose them when they starve or you lose them in a herd attack. You don't eliminate the risk of losing a core member by doing nothing. Not in this world. Taking on this mission brought immediate benefit and promises further potential benefit.
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