I'm not saying it's right, but it's Rick's group again. He's done being only a farmer in that community. He's the Ricktator again. In that respect he might be the only one who can act unilaterally as he did
The Walking Dead Season 4
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Yeah, as much as they have "The Council" now, I feel that everyone would pretty willingly go back to the "Ricktatorship" should he decide to step-up again. Consider they got through the nine months between S2 and S3 without any injuries or deaths. The Council has been around for a few months and, well, it's not turning out too good. 
Though I doubt when Rick takes over again he'll go balls-to-the-wal complete Ricktatorship like he did before but just a more active role in leading the group.
Though I doubt when Rick takes over again he'll go balls-to-the-wal complete Ricktatorship like he did before but just a more active role in leading the group.
Eh, the Council is a peace-time thing. When they need a war-time leader, Rick's back, no more voting.
That said, what should he have done? Bringing her back would have fractured the group, and likely forced her to be executed. She killed people, and admitted to it. Ty's not going to let that slide, and since the flu hit even WITH her taking that action, can't really argue that she even helped anything by killing the (isolated) people. If anything, she went into isolation to kill them, then went out to handle their water supply, she may have CAUSED some of the infection...
So yeah, best case, Ty doesn't beat her to death, and they're forced to have a trial. She did it, and admitted it. After causing huge divides in the group, she's either executed or banished (best case) anyway. And the group is messed up because of it.
This way, she's out without having to be killed, and got supplies and a head start. Rick can control the converstaion, and sell the punishment without the heat of the moment pushing for worse.
For now, Carol couldn't come back after doing that. Which has kinda been a theme this season.
Either way, anyone have a warm fuzzy that the prison is going to be around much longer? We're not going to be having council meetings for long, between the Governor being back, the fence failing, the flu wiping people out. We've got lots of disposable extras, pretty sure we're going to thin this herd back down a bit, and we'll get our dozen or so survivors out on the road again by spring...
That said, what should he have done? Bringing her back would have fractured the group, and likely forced her to be executed. She killed people, and admitted to it. Ty's not going to let that slide, and since the flu hit even WITH her taking that action, can't really argue that she even helped anything by killing the (isolated) people. If anything, she went into isolation to kill them, then went out to handle their water supply, she may have CAUSED some of the infection...
So yeah, best case, Ty doesn't beat her to death, and they're forced to have a trial. She did it, and admitted it. After causing huge divides in the group, she's either executed or banished (best case) anyway. And the group is messed up because of it.
This way, she's out without having to be killed, and got supplies and a head start. Rick can control the converstaion, and sell the punishment without the heat of the moment pushing for worse.
For now, Carol couldn't come back after doing that. Which has kinda been a theme this season.
Either way, anyone have a warm fuzzy that the prison is going to be around much longer? We're not going to be having council meetings for long, between the Governor being back, the fence failing, the flu wiping people out. We've got lots of disposable extras, pretty sure we're going to thin this herd back down a bit, and we'll get our dozen or so survivors out on the road again by spring...
He sent her out on her own--with some halfassed notion that she will "find others." He does not know this. Even Carol was not certain she would surivive with her "maybe" remark.
Rick loves saving his own ass (including his kids), by resorting to hearltess decisions (ex. planning to send Michonne to the Governor), yet he cannot see Carol's action as one of true survival.
Exactly.
"...to be sure?"
She is sure.
Sure that Karen & David were very sick before Daryl's party left the prison.
Sure that the kid was feeling ill, then dying only a few hours later meas the disease--whatever it is--works fast.
Sure that Jenner's information (everyone has the walker disesase in them) means anyone suffering from the so-called flu (at a certain level) will eventually die, only to return as a walker.
Sure that there's no hope for anyone at that stage, and did you forget how fast chaos rocked the cell block of the sick as soon as one person turned? Hershel was overwhelmed and if not for Maggie breaking in, he was as good as dead.
There's no FDA to approve any concocted treatment for this virus, or whatever it is. No labs. It is all trial and error--but one thing is certain: in the time Daryl's party was away, Karen and David would have died (again, see how fast Caleb took a turn for the worst).
Carol seems to see the bigger picture, while hypocritical Rick lives in the moment--guided by warped emotionalism.
But she had no idea what the incubation period is, so that by the time the kid was symptomatic, anyone could have had it. The fact the he died rather quickly doesn't mean much. The flu is not 100% communicable, nor 100% fatal, so killing Karen and David before they died was unnecessary. They may have survived it. There was no advantage to killing them sooner rather than later, and obviously doing so did no good anyway. The flu still spread and some lived, some died. Karen and David might've lived.
I agree; she doesn't have the benefit of a strong parent role. Might be an interesting dynamic between her and Carl.
This is very reasonable. Not to belabor the point, but as for the question "why not just shoot Rick and Carl?" I can think of a reason. Sniping Rick and Carl means that the prisoner group would recognize the outside threat. Creating a zombie insurgence would mean the group lose faith in Rick as leader, as well as have to fight off a horde of zombies. I would not be surprised if the Governor wanted to either rule the prison or kill them all. First, he'd have to work on undermining Rick's authority to prime the situation and make them ready to win their hearts and minds when he comes to the rescue of a situation Rick had lost control of. (I know I'm just spitballing). So I could understand why the Guv wouldn't reveal himself with an assassination; I can't understand why Rick hasn't started investigating outside the perimeter to explain this buildup of Walkers.
I also agree that someone should always be on fence detail, constantly clearing out the walkers, or at least finding out where they're coming from. They need a scientist to study the migratory habits of Walkers. S/He should tag a few.
Carol chafing at Rick making a unilateral decision for her fate is a bit like protesting to end the right to assembly. It. Rings. Hollow. (Though some do).
Rick's decisions haven't really been about expressing newfound empowerment or trying to prove something to himself. In her zeal, Carol has been acting more like Shane. Exiling her was a mercy. He could have subscribed to her philosophy and knifed her as she slept. One person's determination of what was best for the group was good enough criteria for her.
I was wondering about the cold.
You go north or south enough and the walkers freeze up and can't walk.
Meanwhile if you're along the equator, they have to be rotting faster, the first Zombies form day one have to be nothing but bone by now.
Fuck fences.
Live on a boat.
You go north or south enough and the walkers freeze up and can't walk.
Meanwhile if you're along the equator, they have to be rotting faster, the first Zombies form day one have to be nothing but bone by now.
Fuck fences.
Live on a boat.
One would assume that the freezing process on the brain would also likely do enough damage to destroy it.
Not necessarily. Whatever is reanimating them doesn't seem to be nearly as effected by decay as normal human bodies. It might have a secondary effect of regulating moisture and fluids to keep as much tissue as possible functioning. Many still have fresh looking blood in them even.
Yes.
Boat has got to dock to restock. The sad truth is that they are only about 300-350 miles away from one of the best places on the entire continent to live. Certainly where people in central Georgia should have been heading all along
Cumberland Island off the southern most coast of Georgia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumberland_Island
There's no mainland bridges to it. It's big, relatively undeveloped, warm climate, fishing, game, fresh water lakes, some existing buildings, & the authorities don't allow more than 300 people on it at any given time. So clearing out walkers wouldn't be too tough really
That prison population could have lived quite well there, with occasional raids on the mainland for whatever additional requirements
It's quite silly how suitable it is & that none of them have any clue
Yes, that's spitballing, but Rick has set a negative outcome in motion, where division of the core group will not be a surprise. In short, the season 2 finale muttering about ditching Rick (the campfire scene) might come roaring back.
This group is not the Walking Dead version of the Super Friends.
...do you think the group will not be fractured when everyone discovers Carol's fate?
Where's this "execution" business coming from? Do you think Daryl would stand by and let Tyrese assault Carol?
Come on.
They will be on the run soon enough--but the Governor will not be the only living problem threatening what is left of the group...
I'm just waitng for the return of Carol. That will be interesting.
Yeah, and what's the chances of those people from Woodbury remembering how he shot down a good portion of their group, or how he humiliated Maggie, oversaw Glenn's torture, killed Daryl's brother Merle, and made a walker kill Andrea? One mistake by Rick and they'll accept him. Michelle would even be his bride.
I hope you caught the sarcasm, I laid it on pretty thick.
You are seriously deluded if you think Carol is going to turn aggressive towards the group.
Yeah, and what's the chances of those people from Woodbury remembering how he shot down a good portion of their group, or how he humiliated Maggie, oversaw Glenn's torture, killed Daryl's brother Merle, and made a walker kill Andrea? One mistake by Rick and they'll accept him. Michelle would even be his bride.
I hope you caught the sarcasm, I laid it on pretty thick.
Nothing a few bullets and blindfolds wouldn't take care of. He could give them a choice - fall in line or eat a bullet. Or the scream pits.
Think about the Governor's motivations right now. He has in fact been lurking around the prison. Why?
To kill them all for revenge.
To kill a few of them and take over
To kill all or a few to move in.
To kill a few of them and leave? I don't think so. His megalomania won't let him stop there.
I feel he is going to kill anyone who doesn't swear fealty to him. Or maybe kill them all.
Either he is responsible for the buildup of fence Walkers - or he isn't, and has been sitting on his hands watching grass grow.
