Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Dream, May 6, 2013.
fealty is a word that is just not used often enough.
Well, the trailer for next week showed the Governor all by himself. What happened to the other two guys? He killed them? They up and left? They just weren't in the scene?
One man's hypocrisy is another man's poetic justice.
There's no "right" decision in this kind of situation. If the characters are going to err anyway, let them err on the side of compassion. If cold pragmatism and "do whatever's necessary to stay alive" are what it takes to keep the human race going, and that's all the next generation learns, then you wind up with a bunch of heartless bastards who know nothing but survival. Humanity was saved ... at the cost of their humanity. Is that even worth it? Especially if they're being tested as Hershel surmised.
"It's not enough to survive... One has to be worthy of survival." -- William Adama
That's certainly true!
After seeing what happened to Morgan, anything is possible.
Philip needs a promotion from The Governor to The King. "Hail to The King, baby." He's got enough resemblance to Bruce Campbell; he could pull it off.
What makes you think the island isn't infested with thousands of walkers by now? How many people the authorities allow on it means nothing during the apocalypse, a barely populated island would have become a very attractive destination very fast, it is very unlikely that they'd only have to deal with 300 walkers.
^ Still, with no bridges to it, it limits the amount of people that would be flocking to it, & once cleared, it would be easier to keep that way. Most people took to their cars, as we saw in early scenes of roads. Civilization fell pretty quickly, maybe a few weeks? I still see it being well under 1000, & isolated well enough that it would be worth the effort of taking & clearing. Once it's safe, it would be a whole new world
Sure as hell beats the idea of going to a military bas or a prison, or a metropolis
Less so with only one side of the story being told, and the decision already made. Don't have to look her in the eyes, don't have to agonize over the decision. Even if you don't accept it, it's already gone. Your only choice now is if you want to get rid of Rick, too.
Do you think you can guard her 24/7? She killed your gf, and we've proven he's prone to flipping out, Carol would get it eventually. And as for execution, what's the 'jury' supposed to do in this new wasteland? They already LIVE in a jail, and can't afford to be carrying dead weight that doesn't help out. Options are to just let it slide (come on, she killed two people), execute her (eye for an eye and whatnot, plus can't trust her), or banishment. If you're arguing that banishment wasn't right, what's left? Can't let it go, can't have her around...
The extended sneak peak shows the Governor sitting at a camp fire deep in thought, A walker approaches, trips over the fire and lands at his feet and he doesn't react and then Martinez pops out and shoots it in the head, IMDB lists the other guy Shumpert as well as a few new characters named Don played by Danny Vinson, Allen played by Daniel Thomas May ( he is listed for 7 episodes, some older but I don't remember him ), Melody played Audrey Marie Anderson, an unknown played by Meyrick Murphy and The Walking Dead Wiki lists Laura, maybe the unknown little girl is her daughter.
Edit to add: I remember Allen now.
So something that I have been thinking about for a few episodes now, the whole plot with Carol killing Karen & David and her reactions to Rick just seemed "ODD" to me, what if Lizzy was the one that actually killed Karen & David and Carol is covering for her?
The way she was playing with the blood kinda re-enforced my original thought on that and if you think about it, it would be an easy out to bring Carol back, are you going to kill or banish a little girl?
Maybe she did it because of what happened with Carol and her father? And remember Mika (her sister) did say to Carol, Lizzie isn't weak just messed up, She might be the female version of Ben in the comics and the circumstances are almost the same.
What if it was Carl and Carol is covering for him?
The semi spoiler page I listed earlier did say that episode 9 was going to be a big one for Carl, what if the mid-season finale has the group banishing Carl? Herschel already thinks he is a bit trigger happy already and Tyreese wouldn't be too happy with him, Daryl wouldn't be happy with Rick for jumping to conclusions with Carol and may think him and Carl need to be banished, wadda ya think? It would make for some nice plot twists.
^^ Damn! Interesting thought there...
Interesting theory! It's plausible, in my opinion. And yet, Rick was not "jumping to conclusions", since Carol blatantly admitted killing K&D.
I don't think Daryl is blinded by love or infatuation with Carol. I mean, really, how close are they? He likes having her around, and they're apparently quite close, but if she killed someone, I don't think he's going to go crazy with grief over her banishment. He's pragmatic about life in the post-apocalyptic world, and I don't think he'd condone the murders just to have Carol back.
We will see, though.
I've heard the "Lizzie did it" theory before, and though it's not out of the realm of possibility, why wouldn't Carol tell someone about it? We can be pretty sure they won't kill or banish a disturbed little girl. Why lie? Especially to Rick, who's supposed to be a trusted person to Carol, and also a parent to a boy who's had similar difficulties. What good comes from lying to Rick?
If she can't be honest with Rick after all this time, maybe it's still best that they aren't in a group together
No Rick wasn't but we've seen Daryl blow up before, that might be the way he sees it before he calms down and gets all the facts, that's all I meant by that.
She may feel some responsibility for Lizzy's actions (If she did it) for a few reasons so she just took the blame.
1. She has been teaching the kids how to kill with knives in secret for some time now.
2. Her comment to Lizzy about being weak.
3. She is gaining feelings for the girls and can't bare losing one of "her children" again, she wants to be a "better" protective mother (in her mind) to her new kids than she was with Sophia .
Hmmmm....I wouldn't be so sure. Daryll and Carol have been pretty close (maybe he's over his infatuation, since they've been showing chemistry between him and Michonne, but, I think he's still "brotherly" with her at least). And let's consider all the things Merle did to him as a child, and all the awful things Merle has done, and he stuck up for Merle and left the Prison in order to stand at Merle's side. So, I wouldn't be so quick to assume Daryll will just take Carol's banishment in stride.
You're right. Daryl's a stick-with-family kinda guy. I could see him leaving to find Carol, either to stick with her, or bring her back. I just don't know how he'll take learning that she killed (or claimed to kill) Karen and David.
Then the better thing to have done, if that were the case, would be to take the blame for guiding her poorly, not confess to murder, which could only end badly, & not so much if people knew the girl had done it
Ultimately though, Carol didn't just confess to the murders. She confessed to believing that murdering them was right. There's no way anyone can convince me that she doesn't believe what she's saying & acting like she believes. That whole episode of her behaving how she did can't all be a façade, & that means it's most likely that she did it, because she said she did
Thinking it's all a façade smacks of people not wanting to face her becoming the kind of person she's clearly become, hoping for some possible out that explains it without it ending up so ugly. I don't buy it, because it's in her eyes & her voice. She truly believes killing those two was right & necessary, & if you look though this thread, she's not alone in that thinking, though I disagree with it
About Daryl, if you think about it, Merle was far worse for the group than Carol's one terrible act made her, & I'd say he does think of her as family just as much as he did his brother, & he pushed to keep Merle around all along. So it's possible he chooses to want her back, but it's also possible he could see reason. A good question is, if he does want her back, will they all cave the same way they did when he insisted on Merle being let in?
They really do need Daryl. He has a LOT of say
Here's the thing: there is absolutely nothing to keep Carol from driving right back to the prison and raising a crapstorm.
That she hasn't done so indicates that on some level she's fine with exile, and understands it. Maybe even factored it into her decision to kill the ill.
She's a big girl. So no, I don't put Rick exiling her on par with her killing the ill, nor Rick's killing Shane (twice). Shane drew on Rick to kill him in cold blood. Shane even put his gun down and invited Rick to shoot him in cold blood. Then when Rick refused, he drew on Rick again. Rick lured him into range then knifed him, shouting "This was you did this to us! Not me! Not me!"
Whether you agree with his trickery or not - Shane drew on Rick to kill him - twice. You don't draw on something unless you intend to destroy it. He made his move and he paid his price. Self-defense. Next case.
Daryl and Michonne? When did this chemistry take place? He's spoken to her in a grand total of what? One episode? When did the chemistry happen? I must have missed it. If the show abandons the Daryl/Carol bond, whatever it may be to force a Daryl/Michonne hookup/romance, that'll be beyond lame. The actors don't even play well off one another. Whose idea was this? No lame romances. PLEASE.
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