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Great Bird of the Galaxy, there's another STO wiki nowadays which doesn't use the terrible
It's run by most of the same people who ran the old one, they abandoned the Fandom one because of how shitty Fandom is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/11kcmaz/the_new_star_trek_online_wiki/
Is it wrong that I want to see it in the style of the SNW Enterprise?The design was added to STO shortly before he left Cryptic, so CBS could use it, maybe. Guess it depends if Donny signed away the full rights or just the ability to use it in STO.
https://stowiki.net/wiki/Legendary_Miranda_Multi-Mission_Cruiser
There's also a Variant based off 'The Cage' Enterprise
the Farragut with a roll bar?
Fair point, but it would have significant enough differences.
They didn't really State whether it was a totally new design; all that was sad that it was the testbed ship for Transwarp Drive. It could have been modified from a previous design that was in use by Starfleet previously.
The dialogue seems to indicate that Kirk's crew have never seen a ship like the Excelsior before.
Sorry, I don't see where you get the impression that they've never seen a ship like the USS Excelsior before. The entire exchange is:
http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie3.html
They're more talking about the fact she's the test bed for Transwarp Drive than any other aspect. Even Mr Scott's response is more about the Transwarp drive than anything else.
And further, when the Transwarp drive tests fail. The ship's drives are retrofitted back into standard Warp drive engines; but the ship itself doesn't even look any different from its first appearance when it had Transwarp drive engines installed.
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You neglected to post Uhura's comment right before Kirk mentions the Excelsior:
UHURA: Would you look at that?
Just going off the appearance of the ship before Kirk even mentions that it's the Excelsior with transwarp drive, Uhura would not have made that comment had she seen Excelsiors before. The rest of the crew also look upon the ship in awe, clearly indicating they'd never seen it before either. Kirk would also not have needed to explain the ship to them had any of them ever seen it before.
There's nothing specific in dialogue to indicate it's a brand new ship. It could have been an earlier design and undergone a refit much like the 1701 did before Kirk saw it in ST:TMP.
I just quoted you otherwise.
You're welcome to think that. The movie pretty much gives me the indication that that is not the case.
"Well, will you look at that.." ?She could have said the same thing looking at a coffee stain on the console, or a trible on the railing, or even a ship that has been refit into and updated design.
She could have said the same thing looking at a coffee stain on the console, or a trible on the railing, or even a ship that has been refit into and updated design.
If you and your laughing green emoticon say so. I'm going with my interpretation.
No dice, there is a clear pattern generational leaps in heavy crusier design(ie they get bigger) every 40 years. Columbia Class (2160's), ???(2200's), Constitution Class(2240's), Excelsior Class(2280's), Ambassador Class(2320's), Galaxy Class(2360's). I don't think we need written on screen testimony of launch dates to say we shouldn't push every class of ship Kirk had a theoretical chance to lick all the way back to 2266.
'Fresh ideas' indicates to you that Kirk's crew saw the Excelsior active all the way back in 2259? Give me a break.
Excelsior was a prototype experimental ship, but had been in service for years? Nah.
Yeah you're right the Enterprise 1701-G Shangri-La class is way bigger than the Enterprise 1701-D Galaxy class...oh, wait... (Picard S3)
Hell it's now been canonized that the NX-01 Enterprise refit was a precursor design to the Starship/Constitution class of which the Enterprise 1701 is one.
My point? There definitely could have been a precursor/ earlier design that has the general look of the USS Excelsior NX-2000, and looked very similar to it; or it could have been in existing design that was determined to be a good candidate for a Transwarp drive test bed vessel.
"Young minds fresh ideas..." most likely relates to the Transwarp drive aspect of the ship, not it's look or its design. And Scotty's reaction to the engineering aspects of the ship that he sabotages further solidifies that interpretation.
First 1701-G is a neo-Constitution, its a new build bigger than the 2260's Shangri la by 200+ meters. Second neo-Constitution is not a heavy crusier, it's expressly an exploration crusier made to out run what it can't out gun. Third the 2400's heavy crusier in this pattern would either be the Inquery class, or hasn't been introduced yet as the timeline has only just shown us the start of the 2400's. The pattern isn't set in stone (borg, dominion, etc all accelerated ship development) but there's no such evidence that the pattern would be broken for Excelsior.
The precusor to the Excelsior is naturally a smaller design proving out some of the designs innovations. For Galaxy it was New Orleans and Springfield proving out isolinear computing, for Excelsior it was Shangri La and Miranda proving out vertical warp cores.
Granted this is all head canon but it's head canon supported by evidence rather than blindly going "wouldn't it be great if".
Funny I don't remember seeing any of that on the screen. Star Trek Cannon is only what's on screen. So that's what I use when making my arguments.
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