With Bill's Shangri-La based in the TMP Connie refit style, what would SNW do with it? Try to make a pre-refit version, or a hybridized style like with the Enterprise?
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If they were to be hybridized they'd probably come out looking like the Jefferies class
BUT Considering though how SNW likely isn't gonna run later than 2266(start of kirk's 5 year mission) the simpler answer is we probably just don't see Shangri La or Miranda in SNW as the only potential use cases are time travel episodes, or visits to federation core systems closer to the handoff date, either puttering about under testing or in drydock under construction to show a technological difference between core systems like Sol/Tellar/Andor/Vulcan and the frontier the crew normally explores. With this limited use case it'd arguably not be worth the budget to produce a unique hybridized asset and as such would only show them when they could get away with using existing TMP styled assets (again time travel episodes).
I once again lament how TNG's Soyuz class had to employ an only marginally-modified TWoK Miranda model for a ship class retired not long after 2278. Were they given a larger budget, it would do so much convenience for worldbuilding to establish a linear design progression from Soyuz class with TOS nacelles, Miranda class with TMP nacelles, to Reliant class with STO-PIC nacelles.
Doesn't the Reliant's registry appear in TOS?
Most people think so, aside from the whole "6 could be an 8" discussion.
When you take the Enterprise's launch date (2245) and try to map out the pattern of new generations of heavy cruisers and thier light cruiser stablemates it becomes plausible that even a full TMP style reliant could be puttering about in the core of the federation at the same time Kirk is pitching tribbles at klingons on the frontier. But these crunchy factoids are unintuitive to a lot of audiences and spurs a lot of kneejerk debate and complaining if you just casually show it without good rationalization (just look at the backlash to the DIS ships that tried to snuggle in between TOS and TMP design wise). As such its just inviting trouble to show TMP style ships without temporal shenanigans to justify them, and personally I'd rather not see Miranda get backported to the oldie TOS style that folks do find intuitive because then what would be a waste of PIC canonizing the Pioneer class.
Never heard that one lol
Not much need to rationalize. Just have it show up. Can't they have both classes? I mean, the Nebula debuted fairly quickly after the Galaxy so the Miranda could do the same after the Constitution
Now I can't remember the name of the episode they showed that fleet chart in TOS......
Unofficially I imagine, but the conjectural Registry number for the USS Nebula is about 10000 lower than the USS Galaxy. That could mean they were still trying to stick to certain number blocks, or they planned, designed and reserved registry #'s for the Nebula class earlier.
My point was though that with what PIC added to the 23rd century roster the Miranda wouldn't the Nebula-equivalent to the Connie or even the Connie II, but rather would be the Nebula-equivalent to the Shangri La. Connie's Nebula-equivalent meanwhile is the Pioneer, and then Connie is refitted a generation forward into the Connie II after Shangri La and Miranda prove out the vertical warp core technology. Though that all is just trying to sort things nicely with head canon.
The problems I see with trying to put Miranda/Soyuz in SNW though is...
- If you have an existing TMP style ship asset show up pre kirk it could spark a lot of nerd rage as folks insist everything TOS era must look TOS in spite of how you work out the actual dates lore wise.
- If you have a Jefferies class styled TOS/TMP hybrid show up there's less rage, but then its a unique asset and all the budgetary costs that come with that.
- If you kitbash SNW or TOS nacelles and deflectors onto a TMP style Miranda asset to cheaply back port it then you just made PIC canonizing the Pioneer class asset redundant, and the Pioneer class loses opportunities for screen time to a ship that already has plenty of exposure in the 24th century.
So I guess pick your poison.
"Court Martial" Just numbers.
Presumably ships docked at the base undergoing repairs.
I may have missed it but what is the Pioneer Class?
The problems I see with trying to put
I guess the third option but would it really looks that cheap? Yes the Miranda got a lot of screen time but I don't think it precludes the class showing again
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Made canon thanks to it's appearance in Picard Season 3.
How did I miss this lol? I'm slipping
Anyways, this looks nothing more like the Miranda than the Constitution. They could both show up in SNW
Thanks. I thought "Court Martial", but then couldn't get my google-fu in alignment. I feel like #5 could be NCC-1864, there's a slight difference in digits 2 and 3 to me. But then in 1672, the 6 seems more apparent,"Court Martial" Just numbers.
Presumably ships docked at the base undergoing repairs.
Hence the "discussions" over the years.
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I think this image is a little clearer:
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x20hd/courtmartialhd025.jpg
I think for #5 the second digit is almost certainly an 8, but the third digit still isn't conclusive, but looks a bit more like a 6.
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x20hd/courtmartialhd025.jpg
I think for #5 the second digit is almost certainly an 8, but the third digit still isn't conclusive, but looks a bit more like a 6.
I'd like to apologize for not coming off as nuanced enough. Truth be told they both could show up ,and that may even be ideal given a big enough effects budget but...
We saw them first straight face reuse a Connie under a different class name(Somba), When it comes to starfleet ships in this show I don't have confidence that there is room for both and I'd rather consider Pioneer a priority over Miranda because first what I said before about Miranda having plenty of spotlight further down the timeline, and second even with nacelle swapped out and impulse crystals scraped off Miranda is still a more TMP/modern looking ship in a marginally more primitive looking era with its box hull, roll up shuttle bay doors, etc. Don't get me wrong push comes to shove it can pass muster, but we have even more fitting options for the era now, and it would be a shame to miss the opportunity just cause someone wanted to go "hey remember wrath of kaun guys!?" for the umpteenth time.
Nah don't worry about it. It's cool
I guess I differ because the Pioneer looks way Too much like the Constitution whereas the Miranda is more identifiable
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