RCS thrusters are cool.I got bad news for you....
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The rudder isn't going to do much when the boat is out of the water like that. It's used for steering the boat when it's in the water, travelling slowly. Like, in starship terms, a reaction control thruster would be.
We could of ended it earlier with an agree to disagree on what looks dated.
Could have.
Agreed.
Who says it’s old?
It works on the same principle as modern RCS, but it’s probably not identical to today’s technology. I don’t think it’s ever said on screen what’s being fired out of the thrusters. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Some phasers look like guns but they don’t fire bullets.
They aren't. According to the TNG Technical Manual the RCS thrusters are vectored fusion exhausts, and are operating as essentially a low-grade impulse engine without the subspace driver coil elements. Based on the numbers given in the TNGTM, one of the Enterprise-D's main RCS thrusters on the saucer rim can provide a maximum of 5MN of thrust – which is about the same as one of the Saturn V's F-1 engines (probably an intentional coincidence knowing Sternbach) and about six times more than one of the Falcon Heavy's Merlin engines. While these thrusters are weak compared to the standards of other 24th century starship drive technologies they are tremendously capable by the standards of anything we have today.
I'm not a huge fan of the new curved neck on the Enterprise, I liked the neck they had before. Obviously it's not a huge deal since it's difficult to even notice, but it's not a change that I think is for the better. It doesn't seem to me like a problem that needed solving, and making it curved makes it not match the shape language of the other in-between supporting structures (the nacelle struts).
My models of the ship became out of date so fast, with the quick change to the bridge area and windows and now to the neck as well. But there's no more Eaglemoss here to give us a SNW version
There's a clear in-universe precedent for refits, the Trek-veteran artist who designed it literally says that was their design intent, and yet people still for some reason fight tooth and nail to deny it. I don't understand what the motivation for that behavior is, besides some desire to segment new trek away as "other" and bullish refusal to accept a minor retcon to a single 60 year old episode. It's easy and straightforward. Folks will literally decide that they know better than the people working on the show and that's an attitude that seems unproductive to me. I think I'd sooner trust the opinion of John Eaves over Ladiesman217.
And I really don't look forward to the replies, might just have to hit the eject button on this one for my sanity. Just know that I'm with you Markonian.
My models of the ship became out of date so fast, with the quick change to the bridge area and windows and now to the neck as well. But there's no more Eaglemoss here to give us a SNW version
Both the SNW version and the TOS version coexist within the Picard series, so it's weird when people try to pretend they don't. Was there this much strife when TMP's refit debuted?
There's a clear in-universe precedent for refits, the Trek-veteran artist who designed it literally says that was their design intent, and yet people still for some reason fight tooth and nail to deny it. I don't understand what the motivation for that behavior is, besides some desire to segment new trek away as "other" and bullish refusal to accept a minor retcon to a single 60 year old episode. It's easy and straightforward. Folks will literally decide that they know better than the people working on the show and that's an attitude that seems unproductive to me. I think I'd sooner trust the opinion of John Eaves over Ladiesman217.
And I really don't look forward to the replies, might just have to hit the eject button on this one for my sanity. Just know that I'm with you Markonian.
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But there's no more Eaglemoss here to give us a SNW version
Perhaps, but there's something better coming soon.
Because the idea that it looked as it did in "Q & A" before it was refit to look as it did in "The Cage," and was then refit back to how it looked in Discovery season 2, until it was again refit to how it appeared "Where no man has gone before" is fucking stupid.
Yes, just we didn't have it in real time.
There are justifications made for it regardless though. It was a refit called out in dialog, it's been 18 months, or whatever. Justification can be made in any case. But, I feel like this is going back and forth in a way that's unnecessary.
Recognizable as old tech. It's the difference between the portless RCS thrusters on the DS9 Defiant and RCS thrusters that look like they came off of the Starliner or Shuttle. Can you describe how the RCS system works on a ship that has them visible? Yes and that dates it, IMHO. Can you describe how the RCS system works on the DS9 Defiant or TOS Enterprise? No, because you can't see it so it makes it harder to date when the technology isn't understood.
They do look cool.
From what I've read about hydrofoil operation there is some moving control surface involved. Whether it is a rudder or flaps on the foils and there is also the moving sail. So your statement that "Flying above water with no moving control surfaces" doesn't track in how you arrived at the X-65 sailboat.
Could have.
LOL. It would've made sense to see this reply from you.
Tell me more! What's the origin of this model?Perhaps, but there's something better coming soon.
It's easy if you just don't take the fun flashback intro so dreadfully literally
Nobody in-universe was watching that silly intro, it was a meta moment for viewers to connect the dots between two episodes of television. And it was good fun!
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- " Why do Federation Warp Nacelles now look like Klingon D7 Warp Nacelles?"
- "They added a second turbo lift to the bridge... Not My Bridge!"
(And no I'm not kidding, these were big deals back when ST:TMP hit theaters.)
Updated version of the 1/1000 scale model kit, coming soon from Round 2.
Rumor has it there may also be a 1/500 scale in the works.
There's also been talk of the SNW Shuttlecraft getting a kit.
I will cop to thinking the first one.- " Why do Federation Warp Nacelles now look like Klingon D7 Warp Nacelles?"
- "They added a second turbo lift to the bridge... Not My Bridge!"
(And no I'm not kidding, these were big deals back when ST:TMP hit theaters.)
Yes. It works the same way any RCS system, it it forces something out in the opposite direction they want to move the ship.
Just like how the impulse engines work.
Lol. I love hearing about this stuff. Anyone who is willing to fill me in on more refit drama of years passed, please do so. Makes me feel better about current affairs.- " Why do Federation Warp Nacelles now look like Klingon D7 Warp Nacelles?"
- "They added a second turbo lift to the bridge... Not My Bridge!"
(And no I'm not kidding, these were big deals back when ST:TMP hit theaters.)
I am not all that young anymore but I am still too young to have been around for that era of Trek struggle. I'm a big TMP fan but by the time I saw it and loved it, all this stuff was old news.
To be honest the nacelles are probably my biggest personal "complaint" about the TMP refit but I had no idea anyone at any point shared my opinion
Today everyone seems to love them. I like 80% of them but I just think the front "caps" (or lack thereof) are way less interesting that the TOS lightshow. It's one of the reasons I find the Phase II concept so interesting. I was so happy when I got to see the new iteration of the Director's Cut in theaters within the last year, that was great. But I suppose I should return to more relevant topics. But if anyone has war stories I'd love to read them.
Oh good, goooood.
That reminds me, I gotta come clean about something. My first version model from round2 is still sitting in a tub half-finished haha. Okay maybe 65%. You know how it goes, you put a project on pause for a "couple weeks" and then whoops it's been a year or two...
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Interesting.
I added more to my post.
Yeah, it can be hard to stay on task. Doesn't help that I can only really work on my kits late at night. The joys of parenthood. But finish it! The kit looks so good when she's done!
There were no RCS thrusters ever mentioned on TOS and the TOS Enterprise doesn't have RCS thrusters with physical ports. It could be just as well that the TOS Enterprise uses some field to move the ship instead of forcing something out in the opposite direction (I'm making that up but you and I could make anything up at anytime because there isn't anything visible to date the design.)
The Defiant doesn't appear to have any visible RCS thrusters with ports unless you count the featureless yellow rectangles. Interestingly, in "For The Uniform" we get to see and hear of operation of the thrusters and they used port thrusters for yawing to port and also slowing the yawing. The lack of physical detail helps in making up how the tech works. Again, not as easily dated.
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Nailed it.
Thank you! LLAP.And I really don't look forward to the replies, might just have to hit the eject button on this one for my sanity. Just know that I'm with you Markonian.
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