Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™
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The best thing about the SNW Discoprise is that it omits the RCS thrusters like the TOS Enterprise. The RCS thrusters dated the tech on all the other Starfleet ships so I'm glad that was one design cue that was ignored in the design lineage. The TOS Enterprise looks far more advanced because of its simplicity compared to the other series because she lacked obvious identifiers on how the propulsion, etc worked. YMMV.
I love The Original Series Enterprise, but it is dated as hell. There's no way around it.
The "Discoprise" on the other hand fits perfectly into the design lineage.
Oh that's a shame that the tech got dated on the SNW ship as well. There's always the DS9 Defiant and the Enterprise-J 
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Oh that's a shame that the tech got dated on the SNW ship as well. There's always the DS9 Defiant and the Enterprise-J
Wait until you see what they did with the Defiant's impulse engines.
Oh that's a shame that the tech got dated on the SNW ship as well. There's always the DS9 Defiant and the Enterprise-J
Saying that modelling flaws is a sign of technological advancement is an interesting level of cope.
The reason it's not on the TOS enterprise is because the TOS enterprise was meant for a very low resolution TV set and they couldn't be arsed with doing more details, nor have the budget for it.
Shoot, you could easily have some of the round portholes on the TOS model be maneuvering thrusters, there are enough on various parts of the ship to work.
there's RCS thrusters on the Defiant too. Those small yellow rectangles you see all over the ship.
That's not it at all, Jefferies designed the Enterprise to be smooth to imply most things can be accessed and repaired on the inside, it had nothing to do with TV resolution.
Dated? How is it dated?
The need to make excuses for why the TOS Enterprise lacks that detail is an interesting level of cope as well
As far as the details and budget, they built a 11' filming model. Larger than the E-D's 6' and TMP 8' models. Someone could've easily put a marker on it to add RCS thrusters but they didn't.Actually I like the Defiant's details. The TOS Enterprise has impulse engines and so does the Defiant.
I noticed the yellow rectangles but they lack the distinguishing exhaust ports that go with RCS thrusters. So if they were thrusters they could still be more advanced thrusters with no obvious ports, IMHO.
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Whacking great plasma exhausts on the warp nacelles too. Clearly it's not all that advanced.
Also – if your thrusters don't have exhausts and aren't working by Newtonian methods, i.e. expelling material to push the ship in the opposite direction qua Newton's third law, that's technically not thrust, and those technically wouldn't be thrusters. The advantage of these boring old Newtonian thrusters that @blssdwlf seems to dislike is that they're reliable and simple and will work even if you're manually steering them and operating them with a pressurised tank and valves. If you have a manoeuvring system that's dependent on the complex interaction of quantum fields somehow gaining traction in the skein of four-dimensional spacetime just to turn your ship then, yes, it's going to be nice and high-tech and pretty and not have any obvious external vents on your ship, but you're going to have a very bad time in the event of a main power failure.
I remember Strategic Design's blueprints for the TOS-era Constitution-class showed thrusters, the exhausts just looked virtually indistinguishable from windows.
The thrusters on the SNW Enterprise and 24th century starships are accessible from the inside. The vents are there because the thruster exhaust needs to get out. That's what makes them thrust.
I'm 90% sure the Defiant's impulse engines aren't where you think they are.
If you assert that none of this is real, why does it matter whether it looks "dated" to us in a fiction?
All of this is set hundreds of years in the future. Who knows what kind and how many different aesthetic changes and fashion trends will occur between now and then. Whose to say that in the mid 23rd century, fashion and architecture will have similarities to the 1960s and styles in the the late 24th century might have similarities to styles that were popular in the 1990s?
There's no reason why the TOS look or TNG's is any more or less believable than SNW. Over a twenty year period, three different Trek series (TNG, DS9, and ENT) had no problem using the original Constitution Class design to tell a story 30+ years after TOS.
I understand they wanted to make some changes for a modern TV series production, and I don't believe everything has to look exactly the same. But the idea you have to visually retcon things in a legacy science-fiction property for it to be believable to a modern audience is one of those things I wish people would stop with, since there's nothing to back that idea up. We just had audiences and fans in this community going crazy seeing the Enterprise-D bridge again, recreated in all of its mid-1990s glory. And it makes no difference in a show like Andor that everything about Imperial technology is preserved to what George Lucas thought looked high-tech in the 1970s, with monitors that are black and white screens.
Per stories written about the design process that went into the "Discoprise," John Eaves approached the redesign with the point of view that this will eventually become Kirk's TOS Enterprise.
From TrekMovie.com:
Eaves began the process by producing a series of ten sketches to illustrate how the classic ship could be altered. Eaves wanted to streamline the Enterprise to give it the sleek, Discovery look, yet keep the form as close to the original. As the team was aware that the Enterprise they were designing for Discovery—set in 2256—would be the same commanded by Captain James T. Kirk in The Original Series. They theorized ways their version could be refitted over the years to become the 2266 Enterprise. Their theory was that various components of the ship, such as the warp nacelles and impulse engines, would be swapped out over time, so the team set out to design primitive versions of them.
"...And then crowbar in unnecessary negative space, because EAVES GOTTA HAVE EXTRA HOLES IN ALL HIS SHIPS."
Yes, that's all very nice and bla bla bla. But that's clearly not the idea they're going with.
John Eaves can say whatever he wants about his design process, but that whole idea was thrown out the window the second they used footage from "The Cage."
I'm really not getting why this is such a difficult concept? We've been arguing this for years now.
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Personal preference. To me, Star Trek has always looked forward to the future. To keep looking back no longer makes it believable as a future of humanity. So, if that is the case, and it is an "imagined setting" rather than a forward future looking show then do not connect it to current humanity.
Two different cases. Star Wars isn't supposed to be our future.
Perhaps you haven't noticed that every contour and dimension of their Pike-era designs are so different from the TOS ship that parts could not be "swapped out" to turn one into the other?If you assert that none of this is real, why does it matter whether it looks "dated" to us in a fiction?
All of this is set hundreds of years in the future. Who knows what kind and how many different aesthetic changes and fashion trends will occur between now and then. Whose to say that in the mid 23rd century, fashion and architecture will have similarities to the 1960s and styles in the the late 24th century might have similarities to styles that were popular in the 1990s?
There's no reason why the TOS look or TNG's is any more or less believable than SNW. Over a twenty year period, three different Trek series (TNG, DS9, and ENT) had no problem using the original Constitution Class design to tell a story 30+ years after TOS.
I understand they wanted to make some changes for a modern TV series production, and I don't believe everything has to look exactly the same. But the idea you have to visually retcon things in a legacy science-fiction property for it to be believable to a modern audience is one of those things I wish people would stop with, since there's nothing to back that idea up. We just had audiences and fans in this community going crazy seeing the Enterprise-D bridge again, recreated in all of its mid-1990s glory. And it makes no difference in a show like Andor that everything about Imperial technology is preserved to what George Lucas thought looked high-tech in the 1970s, with monitors that are black and white screens.
Per stories written about the design process that went into the "Discoprise," John Eaves approached the redesign with the point of view that this will eventually become Kirk's TOS Enterprise.
From TrekMovie.com:
Eaves began the process by producing a series of ten sketches to illustrate how the classic ship could be altered. Eaves wanted to streamline the Enterprise to give it the sleek, Discovery look, yet keep the form as close to the original. As the team was aware that the Enterprise they were designing for Discovery—set in 2256—would be the same commanded by Captain James T. Kirk in The Original Series. They theorized ways their version could be refitted over the years to become the 2266 Enterprise. Their theory was that various components of the ship, such as the warp nacelles and impulse engines, would be swapped out over time, so the team set out to design primitive versions of them.
No it doesn't. They're smaller but there.
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