Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™
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I will have to live with the scaling up, but a refit could be done to match the TOS version.
The most extreme case would be the SNWprise get pounded so bay it cannot be economically repaired. The crew then gets reassigned to the TOS version.
The most extreme case would be the SNWprise get pounded so bay it cannot be economically repaired. The crew then gets reassigned to the TOS version.
Completely? Eh, probably not. Some external tweaks? Yeah, I see as possible.
That was probably the intent. But...
This. Although they did allude in one episode to this when they mentioned that the ship's deck plates have constantly been replaced, but changing them enough to turn the ship into the TOS version? No.
No, they didn't refit it to make it larger. The Cage version and the DSC/SNW version are supposed to be the same ship. CBS is asking you to suspend disbelief that the ship ever looked like the TOS version, at least for those two shows.
So, refit.
Is there any rule that states a refit can’t increase the size of a starship?
That's not what I said. I said the two ships are the same, and you have to ignore the scale differences, because the TOS version has been phased out. It has nothing to do with a refit.
The TOS length was also never canon. Unless you want to count that display seen in DSC 2x01 that copied the measurements right from the TOS tech manual. Those measurements wouldn't work anyways because the DSC Retcon design is a different shape.
The SNW bridge set has two plaques, the second one has the new dimensions
The SNW bridge set has two plaques, the second one has the new dimensions
Indeed.
Though, more importantly, it also was meant as vehicle for adventure. One story tells the story with one size ship, and another tells it with a different size ship. Does the size matter?
The TOS length was also never canon. Unless you want to count that display seen in DSC 2x01 that copied the measurements right from the TOS tech manual. Those measurements wouldn't work anyways because the DSC Retcon design is a different shape.
The SNW bridge set has two plaques, the second one has the new dimensions
And considering that no other plaque has ever had the ship's dimensions, this is just more evidence that CBS wants these numbers to supersede whatever was accepted in the past for the size of the NCC-1701.
I doubt anyone at Paramount/CBS asked for this plaque to be made, that's usually up to the set designer.
Yes, indeed. They are trying to completely erase TOS from the public consciousness. I have started a Gofundme to fight this conspiracy
Ok, jokes aside, I doubt it is anything wanting to supersede the past. It's just a new interpretation of a fictional environment. Like Shakespeare.
Yeah they're the same, in the same manner that the TMP Enterprise refit was stated to be the exact same ship/hull that appeared on the screen in the Star Trek TV series 1966-69.
There's also the fact that the first time we see Pike in command of the Enterprise 1701 in The Cage/ The Menagerie, he states the crew compliment is 203.
13 years later when Kirk is in command of the Enterprise, it's crew compliment is stated as 430.
So yeah we have Canon evidence that the original 1701 has gone through a number of refits since it was first launched; and they definitely appear to have affected its internal and external structure in major ways.
So no I don't get all the consternation about the hull of the ship getting larger or smaller depending on the design of a particular refit.
Discovery Season 2 gives the same crew compliment.
IIRC it was the same ship and size, the increased crew was due to internal refits. Newer technology was less bulky and more efficient, the volume taken up by the old hardware was converted into more habitable space for crew.
Really? In what episode did they state the crew compliment? The only time I ever saw a fruit complement on Discovery was a quick shot of a display screen displaying info of the USS Enterprise, and it listed the crew compliment as 203 on the screen.
Burnham gives the crew number in dialogue in episode 1.
Talk about over-egging the pudding! Kitbashing on meth! Please tell me that's simply a salvage jobbie!
Does the length of the Enterprise and design changing matter any more than say, Spock or Pike being recast with a different actor with a different height? Because it's much of a muchness. And I see SNW as a quasi-reboot anyway.
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