Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

[Noname Given]

It was 18 Months in Universe time according to the movie dialog.
It was a little over 10 years between the last episode of TOS and TMP premier for us.
(Tuesday June 3rd, 1969 and Friday December 7th, 1979)

All Scotty said was: "We've spent the last 18 months redesigning and refitting the Enterprise..."

There was zero indication of when the refit started or exactly how much time had passed since Kirk and Co. returned from the last 5 year mission (be that TOS or TAS.) The only other thing stated by Kirk was that he had been head of Starfleet Operations for two years; and also hadn't "logged a single star hour" in two years; BUT that doesn't mean it was only two year between the last mission of TOS/TAS and the start of ST:TMP.

 

[Yistaan]

Kirk: Two and a half years as Chief of Starfleet Operations may have made me a stale but I wouldn't exactly consider myself untried.

Voyager confirms Kirk's 5 year mission ended in 2270. At this point TMP is either 2272 or 2273 (maybe differing depending on if you still consider TAS canon in light of Roddenberry declaring it non-canon--to the point that it's not included in the Star Trek Encyclopedia last I checked, and the change in Robert April's appearance)

 

[fireproof78]

maybe differing depending on if you still consider TAS canon

CBS does. That's all that matters.

 

[DaveyNY]

I just realized how much that colony ship looks more like the USS Conestoga, but with it's warp engines underneath.

 

[Kzinti]

TOS aesthetic could be done on 21st century television and look believable

for you maybe but for me it proved the contrary that it doesn't really fit in a modern production and needed updating which thankfully SNW did(still don't really like the tricorder but the rest is 10/10)

 

[wayoung]

Spoiler: Spoiler for episode 4

From the damage the E took and the holes in the hull at the end looks like they'll need another refit! I mean, I'm sure it will be back to normal Voyager style next week, but damn that was TWOK level visual damage

Non spoiler:

I'm a big fan of the Discoprise in general but the interior gloss reaaaallllllyyy bugs me. Matte for the win.

 

[Tuskin38]

Gorn Ship concepts and renders from The Ready Room

"The goal was [...] to design a ship that doesn't look like a ship that we would understand"

 

[wayoung]

Gorn Ship concepts and renders from The Ready Room

"The goal was [...] to design a ship that doesn't look like a ship that we would understand"

My issue with the Gorn was the small ships just seemed like Tholian ships. I liked the big one though.

 

[Yistaan]

Spoiler: Spoiler for episode 4

From the damage the E took and the holes in the hull at the end looks like they'll need another refit! I mean, I'm sure it will be back to normal Voyager style next week, but damn that was TWOK level visual damage

Spoiler

April: Chris, you've been frying the Enterprise down to the wire in combat practically every other week for 15 years. Starfleet does not have infinite resources. We've been humoring you on repairs all this time, but from hereon out the Enterprise will only get bare minimum budget refits and fixes. Don't you or your successor complain if the ship looks like it came out of an Earth 1960s show now.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

... if you still consider TAS canon in light of Roddenberry declaring it non-canon...

Well, Gene's dead, his "vision" was at least 87.5% bullshit, and CBS are calling the shots for Star Trek these days. What they say is canon is canon, no matter how many tears a subset of fandom cries. Best to accept it and move on, or move on and find another show to nitpick.

 

[Lord Garth FOI]

Ship is bigger than reported.
That cargo hold was cavernous and then there’s engineering
#starshipsizearguementthreadpart2

 

[Tuskin38]

The shuttle in that scale chart must be big to be that susexcompared to the redesigned enterprise.

Like look at it compared to the shuttle bay. Perspective wise it seems like it would be the same size as the TOS shuttle if the Enterprise was the commonly accepted 289m long.

I think they scaled the enterprise down a bit from DSC season 2. Not by a whole lot.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Ship is bigger than reported.
That cargo hold was cavernous and then there’s engineering
#starshipsizearguementthreadpart2

Just did some playing around, you're looking at a maximum width of 40 meters for the engineering hull at the 442m established in the Eaglemoss books. But in the modern Trek era, with it's turbolift funhouses and the like, I don't think we'll ever have much in the way contistency.

The shuttle in that scale chart must be big to be that susexcompared to the redesigned enterprise.

Like look at it compared to the shuttle bay. Perspective wise it seems like it would be the same size as the TOS shuttle if the Enterprise was the commonly accepted 289m long.

I think they scaled the enterprise down a bit from DSC season 2. Not by a whole lot.

Shuttles almost always get scaled up for exterior shots so they're visible. Surely the bridge window and forward lounge are immutable scaling points?

 

[Tuskin38]

That’s fair.

And yes, the bridge window would imply the ship is smaller, as they removed that observation lounge or whatever it was from the front of the bridge dome and now the view screen is right at the front, but the dome itself doesn’t appear to have changed shape or size.

 

[F. King Daniel]

That’s fair.

And yes, the bridge window would imply the ship is smaller, as they removed that observation lounge or whatever it was from the front of the bridge dome and now the view screen is right at the front, but the dome itself doesn’t appear to have changed shape or size.

I'm not sure it's any smaller, it would appear they just moved the the bridge forward to the front of the dome. Without the corridor around the side door leads right to Pike's office and the back door to the turbolift.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

For myself, I am struggling to see the lineage between the newer Gorn ships and the one Gorn ship we did see previously, in the remastered version of "Arena". It feels like two separate design philosophies.

 

[valkyrie013]

I thought the cargo bay was like the Tmp refit .. An extension of the shuttle bay, with the door at the end the shuttle bay door.
.. But nope .. One deck lower.. And seemingly 3 decks tall weird.
And OSHA would like to have a word about only 1 exit from a big room..

 

[wayoung]

I thought the cargo bay was like the Tmp refit .. An extension of the shuttle bay, with the door at the end the shuttle bay door.
.. But nope .. One deck lower.. And seemingly 3 decks tall weird.
And OSHA would like to have a word about only 1 exit from a big room..

The Ted Cruz design plan caught on.

 

[wayoung]

For myself, I am struggling to see the lineage between the newer Gorn ships and the one Gorn ship we did see previously, in the remastered version of "Arena". It feels like two separate design philosophies.

In a universe like Trek its weirder for a species to only have one design philosophy and is only done in the past as a shortcut/budget saving so viewers can easily tell one species from another visually on screen

 

[Jack Wolfe]

I'm delighted whenever they trot out asymmetrical ship designs. There's no reason for spaceships to be symmetrical unless they're capable of atmospheric flight.