The Stargate Franchise - A First Timer's Watchthrough

[The Wormhole]

As indeed, it was a clone who was trying to brainwash Teal'c. I remember an interview with Cliff Simon (Ba'al's actor) where he explained that Ba'al and all his clones are in communion with each other, meaning that from a certain point of view, they are all really him.

There's an episode in season 10 that really delves into the clones and their relationships with each other.

That's a bummer. I thought it would have been forshadowing to the finale or something.

Spoiler

The line was originally planned to come into play in the season 10 episode Counterstrike, but as I said last minute rewrites resulted in it being excised from the episode.

 

[tomalak301]

Ethon (SG-1)

Does anyone remember their first reaction watching DS9's Changing Face of Evil when the Defiant was destroyed? Heck, you can even ask that same question for the Enterprise in Search for Spock, but watching this episode, CFOE was the first episode comparison that came to mind. Well, that's how I felt watching the Prometheus get destroyed. You have this powerful ship, with alien technology, and this Satellite tears through it like paper. I was shocked when that ship was destroyed. I was choked up when Pendergast was killed.

This episode was amazing. The Ori basically tore this world apart, and it took the Prometheus with it. I hope they get a huge ass kicking in whatever episode and there has to be some way to beat them. There was a way to weaken the prior in TFH and Vala disrupted the supergate in Beachhead, but there has to be a way to take these guys out. The leader of the Rand was so self obsessed that he showed no mercy. Then when the deal was brokered, it looked like there might be a way out of it, but the Rand and Caledona have been fighting for years that I'm not surprised it pretty much destroyed them both. I wonder, when I was wondering how much power the Ori had, was this the episode you guys had in mind as to what they really can do?

Watching this episode, I think I can put to rest the Goa'uld/Ori comparisons. The Goa'uld had limits and compared to the Ori they were easily beaten. They really didn't do much brainwashing other than with the Jaffa. With the Ori, you double cross them and the whole planet can be destroyed. Oh, and it could be easy to believe that they really are gods. How do you defeat an enemy like that.

 

[DonIago]

The comparison to CfoE is pretty apt.

When I compare the Ori to the Goa'uld I'm thinking in terms of the 50,000 foot view of the writing, which is to say that after SG-1 defeated a Big Bad posing as gods, their next challenge was...a Big Bad posing as gods. The details are, of course, substantially different.

 

[bigdaddy]

Ethon (SG-1)

Does anyone remember their first reaction watching DS9's Changing Face of Evil when the Defiant was destroyed? Heck, you can even ask that same question for the Enterprise in Search for Spock, but watching this episode, CFOE was the first episode comparison that came to mind. Well, that's how I felt watching the Prometheus get destroyed.
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Yeah that was sad, but I'm still going to harp about the fact that the Prometheus was small ship that came out of nowhere on the show. It has only been 3 years since it was first launched and now Earth has an even more insane ship. The one that goes between Earth and Atlantis is way bigger.

 

[tomalak301]

Yeah that was sad, but I'm still going to harp about the fact that the Prometheus was small ship that came out of nowhere on the show. It has only been 3 years since it was first launched and now Earth has an even more insane ship. The one that goes between Earth and Atlantis is way bigger.

Makes me wonder if we will finally see the Daedelus on SG-1. I think it's inevitable at this point.

 

[bigdaddy]

Makes me wonder if we will finally see the Daedelus on SG-1. I think it's inevitable at this point.

The good news is I can't remember seasons 9 or 10 or the season 11 movie that well (to the point I forgot the name) so I can't spoil you. But...

Spoiler

SG-1 does take a ship to Atlantis in season 3 (Season 10 for SG1), so I'm going with yes. But shit hits the fan before then.

 

[tomalak301]

Off the Grid

Well, it didn't take long for earth to get another ship. I'm watching these in order via Amazon Prime and I don't remember them mentioning the Odessy until now. I guess it's inevitable that Earth would be building more ships (They had the Daedelus) but how many ships are they building now. It feels like the Odessy came out of nowhere, just at the right time the Prometheus was destroyed. I do feel like the revealing of that ship did take some of the dramatic impact away from Prometheus being destroyed a week earlier. At least after Changing Face of Evil they waited a few weeks before bringing in another Defiant class ship (And we knew they were building more defiant class ships because of the Dominion threat).

As for the rest of the episode, it was good. It was a fun team adventure with Ba'al again and we got a little more on the Lucian Alliance. I'm glad Nerus was killed in the end. I could have done without the "Eight hours earlier" stuff so they can show the teaser again about 10 minutes into the episode. I did like the who was the best drug dealer scene at the beginning, with Cam calling Sam Mary Poppins and Sam's like "Hey".

 

[bigdaddy]

Off the Grid

Well, it didn't take long for earth to get another ship. I'm watching these in order via Amazon Prime and I don't remember them mentioning the Odessy until now. I guess it's inevitable that Earth would be building more ships (They had the Daedelus) but how many ships are they building now. It feels like the Odessy came out of nowhere, just at the right time the Prometheus was destroyed. I do feel like the revealing of that ship did take some of the dramatic impact away from Prometheus being destroyed a week earlier. At least after Changing Face of Evil they waited a few weeks before bringing in another Defiant class ship (And we knew they were building more defiant class ships because of the Dominion threat).
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Oh that is quick, which is what I hate about later Stargate. Instead of using, you know, the name of the fucking show, they just have ships pop up left and right like nothing. I think they only destroyed Prometheus so they can use one ship set for the one class of ship they now have.

But don't forget these new ships are much bigger than Prometheus, so they have literally built a ship a year and NONE OF THEM were foreshadowed. It's really annoying and frankly one of two major downfalls of the franchise. The other you have seen too where they reuse old storylines. I wish Sci-fi waited. End SG-1 with season 8, do Atlantis for a bit, make a Universe miniseries like was the first idea, then launch SG Command, space things out, get new writers. If we build a fleet of ships then at least it was spaced out more.

 

[The Wormhole]

I guess it's inevitable that Earth would be building more ships (They had the Daedelus) but how many ships are they building now.

Another one is going to be brought in by the end of the season.

 

[tomalak301]

Another one is going to be brought in by the end of the season.

Well, they cut the budget of SGC so they could build more ships. I guess I'm wondering Prometheus was the first and it luanched three years ago. I guess if they want to keep bringing in new ships they would be building the Daedelus fleet immediately after Prometheus launched. I'm just trying to understand a realistic time frame considering they need to keep this from the public and they need the resources to build them.

I'm also looking at the episode listings to finish the two seasons and both series has 3 part finales/premieres. I decided yesterday that doing the whole bunch of 3s thing is stupid mainly because it does depend on mood. I'm just wondering what kind of order I should see these episodes in, considering the finales/premieres total 6 episodes.

I think my order of viewing (hoping to get to the new seasons by Sunday) will be something like this

The Long Goodbye (SG: A)
Coup D'etat (SG: A)
The Scourge (SG-1)
Auther's Mantle (SG-1)
Michael (SG: A)
Inferno (SG: A)
Crusade/Camelot/Flesh and Blood (SG-1)
Allies/No Mans Land/Misbegotten (SG: A)

 

[The Wormhole]

I guess if they want to keep bringing in new ships they would be building the Daedelus fleet immediately after Prometheus launched. I'm just trying to understand a realistic time frame considering they need to keep this from the public and they need the resources to build them.

They seem to average about a ship a year, which yeah, does seem a bit much. These ships are about equal in size to an aircraft carrier, which takes several years to build. And they're done in complete secrecy.

 

[tomalak301]

The Tower (SG: A)

That was borderline boring to ok. John gets to get laid again, the plot was a little predictable, and Weir and Teyla are pretty much sidelined again. Also the royalty plot was predictable. I did like Carson's quote about needing to stop making house calls, and seeing Peter Woodward (Galen from Crusade) was nice. I just wish you find a tower that looks like Atlantis and you do a silly royalty story instead of an actual sci fi story.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Ethon (SG-1)

Does anyone remember their first reaction watching DS9's Changing Face of Evil when the Defiant was destroyed? Heck, you can even ask that same question for the Enterprise in Search for Spock, but watching this episode, CFOE was the first episode comparison that came to mind. Well, that's how I felt watching the Prometheus get destroyed. You have this powerful ship, with alien technology, and this Satellite tears through it like paper. I was shocked when that ship was destroyed. I was choked up when Pendergast was killed.

Yeah, the loss of the Prometheus and Pendergast's sacrifice was pretty emotional. The Prometheus was Earth's first interstellar ship and she was pretty cool for her time. I liked Pendergast a lot too. He seemed like a very likeable and good leader who would be there to help SG1.

I wonder, when I was wondering how much power the Ori had, was this the episode you guys had in mind as to what they really can do?

No.

 

[DonIago]

I thought "Beachhead" was the "this is what the Ori can really do" episode, but now I'm really wondering which episode others were referring to.

 

[bigdaddy]

Another one is going to be brought in by the end of the season.

Why don't you just spoil the whole plot of the Ori storyline?

 

[Romulan_spy]

I thought "Beachhead" was the "this is what the Ori can really do" episode, but now I'm really wondering which episode others were referring to.

Spoiler

I think the finale "Camelot" has the biggest "this is what the Ori can really do" moment when the 4 Ori Motherships come through the Supergate, and without breaking a sweat, completely decimate an entire fleet of Earth ships, Goauld ships and even some Asgard ships. It is Stargate's Wolf 359.

 

[The Wormhole]

Why don't you just spoil the whole plot of the Ori storyline?

Eh, it's not really that big a plot point. Besides, there's references to that new ship a few episodes before we see it.

Spoiler: actual spoiler

And it's not like I gave away the fact that it's a Russian ship.

 

[David cgc]

The Tower (SG: A)

That was borderline boring to ok. John gets to get laid again, the plot was a little predictable, and Weir and Teyla are pretty much sidelined again. Also the royalty plot was predictable. I did like Carson's quote about needing to stop making house calls, and seeing Peter Woodward (Galen from Crusade) was nice. I just wish you find a tower that looks like Atlantis and you do a silly royalty story instead of an actual sci fi story.

I remember being excited for the idea of the Atlantis team finding another city-ship when the premise of that episode was first previewed. It was disappointing, but, well, it's a big galaxy, so they'll probably have another chance to find cool Ancient stuff.

 

[tomalak301]

I remember being excited for the idea of the Atlantis team finding another city-ship when the premise of that episode was first previewed. It was disappointing, but, well, it's a big galaxy, so they'll probably have another chance to find cool Ancient stuff.

You can say about about maybe half the episodes this season though. It's like Voyager finding a way home every week only to be told, this won't work. It gets a little repetitive.

 

[Romulan_spy]

You can say about about maybe half the episodes this season though. It's like Voyager finding a way home every week only to be told, this won't work. It gets a little repetitive.

Just wait.

I will say that SGA did a good job of slowly building up what the Atlantis expedition could do. If the Atlantis expedition had found a fully powered ZPM Atlantis, they would have been totally OP and there would not have been any challenge. The Atlantis expedition had to start at a disadvantage in order for the threat by the Wraith to be meaningful to the audience.