The Stargate Franchise - A First Timer's Watchthrough
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Er...oops.
Maybe I can be more forgiving because it was a S1 episode?
Well it came out like 25 years ago, so you are forgiven for forgetting it.
But go watch it... NOW!
Nah. I rewatched it not -that- long ago. I got into a weird Stargate phase and rewatched a bunch of random good episodes.
Perhaps the fact that I don't remember massive casualty counts indicates that the episode did a poor job of conveying them, but was great in a lot of other ways, though.
Perhaps the fact that I don't remember massive casualty counts indicates that the episode did a poor job of conveying them, but was great in a lot of other ways, though.
That's okay, I was wrong too. It was 1.5 billion.
I must have watched the episode too many times, they barely show the map and Euro is gone along with the east coast, but China is very small red dots. Like if I were aliens the first place I'd attack wouldn't be Europe, it be China / India.
I must have watched the episode too many times, they barely show the map and Euro is gone along with the east coast, but China is very small red dots. Like if I were aliens the first place I'd attack wouldn't be Europe, it be China / India.
Lost Boys/The Hive (SG: A)
You know, I think I liked Atlantis's Midseason finale/premiere more than I liked SG-1s. Don't get me wrong, there was a lot of stuff that happened in TFH, but these two episodes revealed so much about Ford, the Wraith, the Enzyme and it's affects, and it ended with a hell of a space battle. The whole drug ford thing has really done wonders with the character. He was not really used well in Season 1, but allowing him to be recurring has made him much more interesting. We also got a lot of fun parts, like Rodney being on the drug trying to tell Weir everything that's happened, Ronon and Teyla (They really are matching those two up a lot) in hand to hand as they are on the drug, and Sheppard manipulating the Queen. By the way, it seems like Wraith Females are the main interrogators. That's interesting.
I think what I liked about both these episodes was spending time actually flying the Wraith Dart and then on the Hive ship as the Culling is beginning. We basically got to see it from the other side, and the number of Darts that come out of the hive is insane. Then we got Sheppard forcing the two hive ships to fire on each other and then the revelation that the Wraith's might now be going against each other for territory, that changes things up a bit, something any midseason premiere should do.
Both series have had some really great seasons so far, but I think I have to go with Atlantis over SG-1 at the midway point. There is just a certain fun/charm to this series that I'm enjoying. Looking forward to seeing how both end though.
You know, I think I liked Atlantis's Midseason finale/premiere more than I liked SG-1s. Don't get me wrong, there was a lot of stuff that happened in TFH, but these two episodes revealed so much about Ford, the Wraith, the Enzyme and it's affects, and it ended with a hell of a space battle. The whole drug ford thing has really done wonders with the character. He was not really used well in Season 1, but allowing him to be recurring has made him much more interesting. We also got a lot of fun parts, like Rodney being on the drug trying to tell Weir everything that's happened, Ronon and Teyla (They really are matching those two up a lot) in hand to hand as they are on the drug, and Sheppard manipulating the Queen. By the way, it seems like Wraith Females are the main interrogators. That's interesting.
I think what I liked about both these episodes was spending time actually flying the Wraith Dart and then on the Hive ship as the Culling is beginning. We basically got to see it from the other side, and the number of Darts that come out of the hive is insane. Then we got Sheppard forcing the two hive ships to fire on each other and then the revelation that the Wraith's might now be going against each other for territory, that changes things up a bit, something any midseason premiere should do.
Both series have had some really great seasons so far, but I think I have to go with Atlantis over SG-1 at the midway point. There is just a certain fun/charm to this series that I'm enjoying. Looking forward to seeing how both end though.
Collateral Damage (SG-1)
The one was ok, but it was basically Voyager's Ex Post Facto (The one where Paris has to relive the murder of a wife over and over). I loved the backstory for Mitchell, how he shot the convoy despite being told to abort too late and how that's ate him over the years (Even though I was reminded it contradicted the scene in Avalon about his impeccable service record) and how his father lost two legs. I also liked the little scene with Walter getting the medical jargon confused, but I have to say having to relive the same thing over and over must have some serious brain damage or something. I mean you're hooked up to this machine, you see the wife be killed over and over and you don't have an emotional response? I would think PTSD would take effect, at least that's what happened to Paris in that episode. I thought the head emissary guy was the one who did it, but it turned out it was the ex who was helping Cam solve the murder all along.
The one was ok, but it was basically Voyager's Ex Post Facto (The one where Paris has to relive the murder of a wife over and over). I loved the backstory for Mitchell, how he shot the convoy despite being told to abort too late and how that's ate him over the years (Even though I was reminded it contradicted the scene in Avalon about his impeccable service record) and how his father lost two legs. I also liked the little scene with Walter getting the medical jargon confused, but I have to say having to relive the same thing over and over must have some serious brain damage or something. I mean you're hooked up to this machine, you see the wife be killed over and over and you don't have an emotional response? I would think PTSD would take effect, at least that's what happened to Paris in that episode. I thought the head emissary guy was the one who did it, but it turned out it was the ex who was helping Cam solve the murder all along.
Regarding female Wraiths being the interrogators...
They are the Queens of their Hive, after all.
They are the Queens of their Hive, after all.
Next SGA episode "Epiphany" is one of my favorites. I look forward to your review.
It sure is. I remember going back and watching Ex Post Facto some point after seeing Collateral Damage, and those episodes really are unbelievably similar. The only real difference is Ex Post Facto didn't diverge into Tom Paris's background and Collateral Damage's resolution wasn't contingent on the testimony of a dog.
I doubt Mitchell faced any sort of reprimand over this given he followed procedures exactly as they should have gone and the deaths of innocents isn't his fault, but rather somewhere further along the chain, either the one he was having radio conversations with or whoever was supplying them the information. That way, there can still be a mention of the incident in his file with his file still being impeccable.
Everyone thought the emissary guy was going to be the one who did it. It comes with territory when you hire famous 80's go to actor when you need a asshole in William Atherton. Unless you got William Zabka or John Vernon or Paul Gleason.
Jason
Epiphany (SG: A)
I'm sorry but I was bored with this episode. John walks through a time dilation portal and seconds that pass for the Atlantis crew is minutes for John. We find out it was over 6 months since John had walked through the Portal and the beast that was attacking the villagers was created through their own minds. Ok, that's fine and good but SG-1 kinda already did the crew member gets lost and spends an extended amount of his/her life away from the team. That was called 100 Days and Jack's story was a lot more interesting than John's. I did like the MALP on a Stick thing though at the beginning and Weir getting out of Atlantis is always a fun time. This is probably my least favorite episode of the season so far.
I'm sorry but I was bored with this episode. John walks through a time dilation portal and seconds that pass for the Atlantis crew is minutes for John. We find out it was over 6 months since John had walked through the Portal and the beast that was attacking the villagers was created through their own minds. Ok, that's fine and good but SG-1 kinda already did the crew member gets lost and spends an extended amount of his/her life away from the team. That was called 100 Days and Jack's story was a lot more interesting than John's. I did like the MALP on a Stick thing though at the beginning and Weir getting out of Atlantis is always a fun time. This is probably my least favorite episode of the season so far.
Epiphany (SG: A)
I'm sorry but I was bored with this episode. John walks through a time dilation portal and seconds that pass for the Atlantis crew is minutes for John. We find out it was over 6 months since John had walked through the Portal and the beast that was attacking the villagers was created through their own minds. Ok, that's fine and good but SG-1 kinda already did the crew member gets lost and spends an extended amount of his/her life away from the team. That was called 100 Days and Jack's story was a lot more interesting than John's. I did like the MALP on a Stick thing though at the beginning and Weir getting out of Atlantis is always a fun time. This is probably my least favorite episode of the season so far.
I liked that it touched on Ascension.
Hopefully you like the next SG1 episode "Ripple Effect" better.
I liked that it touched on Ascension.
Hopefully you like the next SG1 episode "Ripple Effect" better.
There's been a lot of Stargate episodes that have touched on Ascension, the two main Daniel Jackson ones being great examples.
Definitely. I will say that part of what made John's story less interesting than Jack's story in "100 Days" is that John literally does not want to be there or do anything. He's bored with trying to meditate to ascension and does not seem interested in the woman who is clearly interested in him. John just wants to leave and never really shows any interest in these people at all. Jack actually started a meaningful relationship with that woman so there was a connection there. So there was some emotion when Jack does eventually get rescued.
I think that was my issue. I had no emotional connection to the people who John was with at all. I thought the chemistry between Jack and Laira better.
I did like McKay sarcastically referring to Ronon and Teyla as "Conan the Barbarian and Xena the Warrior Princess." Mainly because a few years later Jason Momoa was cast as Conan the Barbarian.Epiphany (SG: A)
I'm sorry but I was bored with this episode. John walks through a time dilation portal and seconds that pass for the Atlantis crew is minutes for John. We find out it was over 6 months since John had walked through the Portal and the beast that was attacking the villagers was created through their own minds. Ok, that's fine and good but SG-1 kinda already did the crew member gets lost and spends an extended amount of his/her life away from the team. That was called 100 Days and Jack's story was a lot more interesting than John's. I did like the MALP on a Stick thing though at the beginning and Weir getting out of Atlantis is always a fun time. This is probably my least favorite episode of the season so far.
I didn't realize until just now, that this whole character caught in time dilation/lives a whole life that in a short story has become a pretty common trope for SFF shows these days. I don't think any episodes will ever beat The Inner Light or The Magicians episode A Life in the Day, though.Epiphany (SG: A)
I'm sorry but I was bored with this episode. John walks through a time dilation portal and seconds that pass for the Atlantis crew is minutes for John. We find out it was over 6 months since John had walked through the Portal and the beast that was attacking the villagers was created through their own minds. Ok, that's fine and good but SG-1 kinda already did the crew member gets lost and spends an extended amount of his/her life away from the team. That was called 100 Days and Jack's story was a lot more interesting than John's. I did like the MALP on a Stick thing though at the beginning and Weir getting out of Atlantis is always a fun time. This is probably my least favorite episode of the season so far.
"The First One's" on Comet TV is airing
Another reboot idea. What if the Goa'uld came back in force but now in Unas bodies?
Another reboot idea. What if the Goa'uld came back in force but now in Unas bodies?
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