Spoilers The Ships of Lower Decks

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Lower Decks' started by Tuskin38, Aug 6, 2020.

  1. Ronald Held

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    Could that be due to Ron Moore working on Trek?
     
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    Very likely, I would think. I know he held fundamental differences of opinion of traditional Berman-era Trek (deriving from established Roddenberrian dogma), which is what drove him from Voyager. He had problems with the "no interpersonal conflicts" and "a ship, alone, showing zero damage from its long time out in hostile space with no repair facilities" directives. Too much squeaky-clean Starfleet tropes for his liking. He was Navy ROTC, which gave him some insight on how a ship might be run on long voyages. It would make sense that he would view a space-going navy differently than what had been established by who had come before. IMO, he was dead-on about many of Voyager's shortcomings. Putting the CIC in a more protected position within the ship would have been a no-brainer for him. :)
     
  3. fireproof78

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    Because they can't have both in Starfleet.?
     
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    All true, though it's important to remember that Moore has also said that there's a limit to how dark he would have been willing to make VOY if he had been the VOY showrunner, because he felt that even a darker version of Star Trek needed to have a limit to its darkness to respect the optimistic ethos of the franchise. So Ronald D. Moore's Star Trek: Voyager would probably not have been as dark as Ronald D. Moore's Battlestar Galactica, even if Berman weren't in the picture.
     
  5. 137th Gebirg

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    That, and everyone already considered DS9 the “dark and gritty” Trek at the time. No need for them to have doubled down into the dark on two simultaneous shows.
     
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    That Section 14(?) ship was really cool. And I loved that the ending confirmed
    The colour scheme and dim lighting was that way just because the captain liked it, a la "grimdark" season 1 Discovery lighting.
     
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  10. Ar-Pharazon

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    It's a "TOSified" Surak shuttle, but with no context on the size, it could be larger.
     
  11. valkyrie013

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    Think a Tos ship with a 100 year old Cloak could get to Romulus?? Hmm :)
     
  12. fireproof78

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    Scotty's project after returning Picard's shuttle to him.
     
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  14. Tim Thomason

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    But the TOS Bird-of-Prey was impulse only, so it would've taken centuries to get to Romulus!
     
  15. Timo

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    In "Deadly Years", it was "already" capable of warp intercepts, so not to worry...

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    and balance of terror makes very little sense unless the BoP has some sort of FTL drive too. My interpretation is that Scotty slipped after drinking too much whiskey.
     
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  17. Timo

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    Or then the Romulans had warp drive installed only after "Balance of Terror".

    (Then again, Scotty has always had trouble with this "warp drive installed" thing - see TAS "Time Trap"...)

    I'm still perfectly happy accepting that Scotty erred, but additionally retconning the error as resulting from the Romulans trying a warp power system the poor engineer wouldn't have included even in his wildest wet dreams: the infamous Artificial Quantum Singularity system that still remained largely secret in the late 2360s. I just wonder whether keeping a museum piece loaded with an AQS is in accordance with the rules!

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  18. 137th Gebirg

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    True, it would not have given off any kind of recognizable warp field emissions or signature. The only thing they would have detected were the trails of ionized gas left behind by impulse engines.

    It was still pretty dim of Scotty to imply that Romulans might have quickly traveled interstellar distances with just “simple impulse”.
     
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  19. jackoverfull

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    On the other hand, if you decide that a matter/antimatter reactor isn’t necessary for warp, tru might have had a “simple impulse” (that is: fusion) reactor and an extremely energy efficient warp engine
     
  20. valkyrie013

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    My comment was directed at.. It's a hundred years old, the cloak is completely obsolete. A civilian freighter could detect her!