Spoilers The Ships of Lower Decks

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Lower Decks' started by Tuskin38, Apr 6, 2021.

  1. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    I just realized we didn't have one of these, we do in the PIC and DSC Subforumd so here we go.

    What did you guys think of the ships of Season 1? New and old.

    The Titan being a Luna-Class like in the novels really surprised me. Like I know CBS owns the rights to the design, but it just didn't feel likely to me.

    I also loved 'Vindicta's Klingon looking ship that was kinda cool, the Packleds hybrid ship was also neat.
     
  2. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2019
    Location:
    Bavaria
    The Vancouver looked great as well
     
    Qonundrum likes this.
  3. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2001
    Location:
    The Wormhole
    The Titan being Luna class has been done elsewhere, STO and Brannon Braga's Hive comic series from IDW. Honestly, it would actually seem weirder to me if it hadn't been a Luna class in the show. This isn't exactly unprecedented, the TOSR version of The Ultimate Computer did use Vanguard's design for the starbase.
     
  4. Dukhat

    Dukhat Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2007
    Location:
    Maryland, USA
    Had I been in charge of CBS's marketing department, I would have made the Titan a different class of ship from the formerly non-canon Sean Torangeau design, as a new ship would have provided more revenue with new accompanying merchandise. Also, I was never a fan of the design in the first place, thinking it an unoriginal meshing of an Akira and a Sovereign class. But like it or not, it's canon now.

    I'm also not a huge fan of the California class in general (and don't get me started on the ridiculously huge range of registry numbers the ships have.) The early descriptions for Lower Decks had me thinking that the ship was going to be very utilitarian in nature, sort of a tow-truck version of a starship or a supply vessel with lots of cargo containers, etc. Just a very workhorse-like design, extremely different from the usual Galaxy class or other streamlined vessels. And by the very nature of the show's title, I figured the cast would be located at the very bottom of a secondary hull with literally nothing underneath them. Instead, we got a somewhat simple design that's not all that different from the BoBW kitbashes. It's just a simple saucer with two underslung nacelles and a deflector pod between them which is in and of itself an awkward and illogical design, and it hardly screams 'workhorse' to me. But that was my preconceived notion, and probably won't be popular with the LDS lovers.

    I'm not sure why the Osler looks so unlike a Starfleet vessel, unless they gave a reason in the episode that I don't know about. It looks more like a generic alien design.

    And chalk me up with the rest of the crowd who likes the Vancouver class, as I'm a fan of the Galaxy class style of design. The only gripe I have (and this has more to do with the California class than the Vancouver) is that the saucer and bridge resemble the California class, but the latter class is implied to be much older (unless all the Califonia class ships were physically refit to look more contemporary to the newer Vancouver class, but that's not really implied in the show.)
     
  5. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    Would have it? Most Trek fans have probably never seen the Luna before it appeared in Lower Decks, or maybe didn't care about it before now because it was only from the books.

    Novel readers do make a small portion of the audience.
     
    TimeIsAPredator likes this.
  6. Hades Temperature Checker

    Hades Temperature Checker Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    fireproof78
    The California class isn't my favorite, but as far workhorses go it fits as well as something like the other types I've seen.
     
  7. Dukhat

    Dukhat Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2007
    Location:
    Maryland, USA
    Eaglemoss had already made a model of it way before it appeared in LDS. Since they also make non-canon Trek ships, it would have been an opportunity to sell another (better?) Titan design and relegate Torangeau's back to non-canon status.
     
  8. DEWLine

    DEWLine Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2003
    Location:
    Ottawa, Canada
    Yeah, not thrilled with these allergic reactions to Sean's work getting used like this.
    I think I'll leave it at that.
     
    Norsehound likes this.
  9. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    Yeah, but now they can sell more, and make even more merch of it.

    So I really don't see how it makes them that much less money.
     
  10. Dukhat

    Dukhat Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2007
    Location:
    Maryland, USA
    The people who already bought the Titan before are not going to buy the exact same model again. However, if there was a new design for the ship, they would potentially buy it and then have two Titans in their collection, one canon and one not. Sure, there may be some people who didn't originally buy the model before who might buy it now because it's now canon, but I think there would be far more people who would buy a completely different version of the Titan than a design that's already ten years old.
     
  11. matthunter

    matthunter Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2004
    Location:
    Great Britain
    The LDS design is tweaked from the Eaglemoss look slightly in shape. STO has already released a T6 Zen Store version of the LDS design and folk are buying that, despite the Luna being available free as a T4 design and upgradeable to a Fleet version.

    Look at Transformers if you think folk won't buy multiple slightly different versions of the same model.
     
  12. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    STO’s is based on the original design, or Tobias Richter’s take on it at least (he’s even the one who modelled it for them), not the LDS version.

    It doesn’t have any of the changes seen in the LDS version, no inverted blue glowing phaser strips for example.
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2021
    Ronald Held likes this.
  13. matthunter

    matthunter Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2004
    Location:
    Great Britain
    Apologies, I hadn't looked at it too closely - they released the T6 Science Destroyer version because STO gave them the excuse (it includes the "It's Another Enterprise!" trait) but it isn't actually modelled on the LDS version, though it is significantly different to the base Luna:

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11480803-it's-the-titan!
     
    Tuskin38 likes this.
  14. Ronald Held

    Ronald Held Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2005
    Location:
    On the USS Sovereign
    Luna class is all right. California class not much.
     
  15. valkyrie013

    valkyrie013 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2009
    While the Cali class isnt a looker, I like it.
    Love the Vancouver
    And I'm happy as a bear in honey that Sean's design is now cannon.
    Hoping they'll do the other book one with Ezri dax commanding the Aventine:adore:
     
    DEWLine likes this.
  16. Hades Temperature Checker

    Hades Temperature Checker Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    fireproof78
    It has grown on me. Far more than I thought it would with the way the saucer is.
     
  17. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    That blog doesn't even have any pictures of the revamped Luna model
    here
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  18. matthunter

    matthunter Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2004
    Location:
    Great Britain
    No, because it's a blog about the Titan Science Destroyer, which is the new STO ship I was discussing.
     
  19. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    Oh my bad. I thought you were talking about the revamp.
     
  20. Saul

    Saul Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2002
    Location:
    東京
    Need some more starship porn pics to fully judge. But Vancouver and Titan.
     
    Dr. Kravaal likes this.