Agreed. It's not one of the worst. It's THE worst space battle of all time.
The Pacing of Space Battles: Old vs. New
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Agreed. It's not one of the worst. It's THE worst space battle of all time.
I can't speak for other people, but I've had no issue following the battles in the Abramsverse films.
Yeah me neither, especially the Kelvin curbstomp.
It sounds like you understand it. No one is comparing it to Transformers, but mostly to other Trek. And as was pointed out, there are several other blockbusters that pace slower than Transformers.
I think a lot of it is that they try to cram too much into a two hour slot. Too many characters and too much stuff. Some of the aforementioned movies have been pretty long, and only focus on a handful of characters.
I really don't understand. I have no issue following these films. At all. I don't get the claim that they are "action! action! action!", that some claim.
After the Berman years, Trek needed a shot of excitement.
What was unclear in Into Darkness?
We got three additional characters in that film: Admiral Marcus, Dr. Marcus, Khan; how is that too many characters?
There was also a new redshirt that joined Cupcake on the away team.
I never said anything was unclear. I'm not sure where you guys are getting that.
And I don't think it's just that it's too many characters, but that it's an ensemble approach where they try and give everyone something to do in a short amount of time. Someone pointed out other movies like Batman which have a smaller cast and a longer run time, so it's no wonder the pace of those might be different.
You'd somehow had a point somewhere if Abrams & co. somehow failed in telling their story somewhere in that film... somehow.
Actually I don't know what your point is.
Nah, I never said they failed. I like the movies, and they are of course generally well received. It never ceases to amaze me how much people read into things.
My only point was that they had a higher pace than previous Trek movies mostly, but also of some contemporary sci-fi/fantasy movies.
My only point was that they had a higher pace than previous Trek movies mostly, but also of some contemporary sci-fi/fantasy movies.
The best term I ever heard to describe Abrams Trek, specifically 09, was "hypercharged." To me, that is what it is-it is the same style of TOS, ramped up to 11 with energy-or to use a more apt analogy, my 2 year in the morning versus me in the morning
Personally, one of my favorite parts of 09 was the Kelvin battle, which was extremely fast paced, yet never disappointed as far as the tension went.
I think, in comparison to other Trek, it's faster, but it fits with the tone of the rest of the film. I like battles that fit with the rest of the film.
When I pine for sub warfare, I can always reach for Red October, TUC, or TWOK, or even Nemesis. When I want action, I grab ST09 or watch the opening sequence of Sith.
Both are awesome when well done. Both can fall flat when not well done.
Both are awesome when well done. Both can fall flat when not well done.
The thing is, new Trek has gone to great lengths to include loads of stuff from 'old' trek either little easter eggs or entire scenes of call backs, so why not a proper old school ship battle, I'd really like to see a 'sub' style confrontation in the next movie, I think it could be done really well, it could be spectacular and tension filled.
I've never considered Nemesis to be a submarine movie, frankly. Much too fast, not a lot of strategy or maneuvering other than swooping in and out of camera.
Oddly or maybe not, the JJPrise isn't as swift as the E-E (I suppose odd since the JJPrise was made 7 years after Nemesis), moving much more slowly like the Constitution or Galaxy, and that fits me just fine. But with that said, I'd love to see a battle where she lumbers by while still surrounded by a very fast paced action scene like the Kelvin.
Absolutely agree. I posted on another thread that if the budget for the next film is severely slashed, good writing can make tension just as effective (and more so) than action.
Fair enough. I think of it that way when Enterprise-E can't locate the cloaked Scimitar and has to fire blindly. There's strategy, or at least out of the box thinking when Troi takes Worf's hand and fires the 'psychic' torpedo. But YMMV.
The only Star Trek movie that was a submarine movie was Into Darkness
Ahem, the HMS Bounty went underwater and drove off an alien menace by releasing whales.
I actually like the fact that JJPrise is not that fast, like you said. It would be interesting if the Klingon BoPs in Abrams verse act more like fast attack subs, while Enterprise works as a destroyer, and having to be more original in their tactics.
Like what, 'hiding' underwater or in planetary rings?
Like what, 'hiding' underwater or in planetary rings?
Or the atmosphere of Titan
That shot was one of my favorites in Trek 09, as well as the working relationship between Sulu, Chekov and Scotty. Definitely demonstrates the professionalism of the three.
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