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The Most Disliked Episode of TNG, 2023 Edition - Finals...

Firstborn again! :klingon:

The Outrageous Okona" - 0
"The Price" - 0
"Transfigurations" - 0
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 2
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
"Firstborn" - 2
 
Another vote for "Firstborn". Same reasons as before.

"The Outrageous Okona" - 0
"The Price" - 0
"Transfigurations" - 0
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 2
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
"Firstborn" - 3
 
I guess I'll save Firstborn - after that, I think Transfigurations is the least objectionable here.

"The Outrageous Okona" - 0
"The Price" - 0
"Transfigurations" - 1
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 0
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 0
"Bloodlines" - 0
 
My vote this round is for "Birthright, Part II".

Same reasons as all the previous rounds. (At least I'm consistent. :) )


"The Outrageous Okona" - 0
"The Price" - 0
"Transfigurations" - 1
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 0
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
 
Transfiguration is an average episode, with one or two memorable scenes between Dr. Crusher and her patient. The scene with Worf being thrown over the railing and breaking his neck was pretty memorable.

"The Outrageous Okona" - 0
"The Price" - 0
"Transfigurations" - 2
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 0
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
 
It's fun watching so many of us basically qualifying our choices with something like "it sucks, but it sucks less than the others". Except for @Farscape One , who really seemed to like "Birthright part II". As one of those few people who willingly admits to enjoying "Shades of Gray", I can sympathize... but still voting for "Masterpiece Society" again. Sorry.

"The Outrageous Okona" - 0
"The Price" - 0
"Transfigurations" - 2
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 1
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
 
It's fun watching so many of us basically qualifying our choices with something like "it sucks, but it sucks less than the others". Except for @Farscape One , who really seemed to like "Birthright part II". As one of those few people who willingly admits to enjoying "Shades of Gray", I can sympathize... but still voting for "Masterpiece Society" again. Sorry.

"The Outrageous Okona" - 0
"The Price" - 0
"Transfigurations" - 2
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 1
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0

It's not the first time I've been in the minority of liking an episode, and it certainly won't be the last. Just look at how often I've defended "MOVE ALONG HOME" or "Masks".

While I do like "Birthright, Part II", it certainly isn't one of better episodes of TNG. I just don't understand the extreme hatred this episode seems to receive. That, more than anything, is why I keep voting for it here. (Though there are really only 2 episodes left here I would put as above "Birthright, Part II".)

I guess I'm more sympathetic to the underdog.
 
I'm saving "The Masterpiece Society" solely for the Geordi scene that rises above all the contrived crud that transpires in the episode, also noting that said episode even has one of Picard's most out-of-character and disgusting speeches ever due to plot magic getting them there.

Sorry for off topic but I must ask, which Picard speech you think was out-of-character, the thing where he told Troi how genetic engineering was wrong and all that?
 
"Birthright, Part II" is fine, I guess..... I enjoy it more than the rest, at least.

"The Outrageous Okona" - 0
"The Price" - 0
"Transfigurations" - 2
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 0
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 2
"Bloodlines" - 0
 
Oh damn I dunno. This is a pretty equally bad list. I could see myself moving around a lot now, it's really "flip a coin" with a lot of these.

I guess I'll go "The Outrageous Okona" this round. At least it has great season 2 vibes. And it is kind of -- ahem -- outrageously bad. It's fun to mock. The rest of these mostly just bore and/or offend me.

"The Outrageous Okona" - 1
"The Price" - 0
"Transfigurations" - 2
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 0
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 2
"Bloodlines" - 0
 
I guess I'll go "The Outrageous Okona" this round. At least it has great season 2 vibes. And it is kind of -- ahem -- outrageously bad. It's fun to mock. The rest of these mostly just bore and/or offend me.
Sometimes, dreadful with style is better than just bad and boring.

And restoring my vote, which got deleted.

The Outrageous Okona" - 1
"The Price" - 0
"Transfigurations" - 2
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 1
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 2
"Bloodlines" - 0
 
Adding 1 to "Masterpiece Society". Same reason as before, with the multilayered scene involving Geordi and realizing the means to deflect the stellar core fragment safely, which is awesome. Conor's line about their ideal existence is not necessarily uninteresting, but the whole episode feels like a hit-or-miss escapade. Especially when they go into how everyone is bred for a purpose and yet, despite a sufficiently-sized population with little risk of death or doodaahs and so on, it still takes precious little to create an irrevocable balance. I also still loathe that ending of Picard's melodrama, and - of course - where the Federation's flagship's crew made such a big screwup about tectonic treknobabble despite previous seasons of dealing with similar issues and not making such a basic mistake (and ironic that such a masterpiece society couldn't have what amounts to glorified earthquake-proof supports)... and yet all that isn't as bad as the overtly-contrived initial setup.... not sure which is worse, but the bits in the middle aren't bad at all, and definitely more compelling... which might be why I feel the Earth emotion called "disappointment".
(on edit: Strikeout some errata.)

Then again, Conor states his people are all perfectly placed and there's no worry of an artist not being discovered or not finding themselves... perhaps there is a shrouded irony in the episode thanks to the ending. It's quite a biggie as now some people want to leave, not because of the toxic leak thingy but because people see a shiny new way to live and want to see more of it... so much for their all being perfect. Now if that's the point of the episode, it's quite a left turn boomerang...

Also, "Moab" is an interesting name considering its numerous definitions and, of course, as an acronym because this story is almost as much of a "MOAB" as "Ethics" is. IMHO, YMMV.

On edit, some key scenes at the start and end of the episode and there wa:

CONOR: Not at all. My entire psychological makeup tells me that I was born to lead. I am exactly what I would choose to be. Think of it another way. Are there still people in your society who have not discovered who they really are, or what they were meant to do with their lives? They may be in the wrong job, they may be writing bad poetry. Or worse yet, they may be great poets working as labourers, never to be discovered. That does not happen here. It is, for us, an ideal existence. We will not give it up easily.​

And then there's this, noting Hannah's reaction to Geordi:

HANNAH: Isn't it amazing after all we went through?
LAFORGE: Yeah. Amazing.
HANNAH: Looks bad. It's cracked well beneath the surface.
LAFORGE: Why are you doing this?
HANNAH: What do you mean?
LAFORGE: There's no breach.
HANNAH: What are you talking about. Look at it, it's right here. I measured the toxic leak. You saw me.
LAFORGE: Hannah, my visor's positronic scan would have detected the leak. Its molecular pattern enhancer would have picked up even the smallest crack.
HANNAH: The damn thing doesn't miss much, does it. Fine. I'll tell them the truth. Will that make you happy?
LAFORGE: Why are you doing this?
HANNAH: I was born to be one of the best scientific minds of my generation, and in the past five days I have encountered technology that I have barely imagined. And I've got to ask myself, If we're so brilliant how come we didn't invent any of these things?
LAFORGE: Well, maybe necessity really is the mother of invention. You never really look for something until you need it.
HANNAH: But all my needs have been anticipated and planned for before I'm even born. All of us in this colony have been living in the dark ages. It's like we're victims of a two hundred year old joke. Until you came, we could only see to the wall of our biosphere. Suddenly our eyes have been opened to the infinite possibilities.​

Dang. That makes up for Conor's dumbdeediddlery at the start, and Picard's even more obtuse fluff at the end:

PICARD: Of course we did. But in the end we may have proved just as dangerous to that colony as any core fragment could ever have been.​

No Picard, you weren't as dangerous, it wasn't you, and given how often you spout babble about wanting to explore the universe, now you'd rather they all be dead than to see the universe like every other human?! That's almost parody-worthy! The people who set up the colony had more hubris... so yeah, my respect for this episode just went up even more. Despite it all. Time for a full rewatch, methinks...

The Outrageous Okona" - 1
"The Price" - 0
"Transfigurations" - 2
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 2
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 2
"Bloodlines" - 0
 
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I really hope Aquiel wins this whole thing.

A supremely unlikeable guest protagonist in Lt. Uhnari, with whom Geordi has no reason to blindly believe she's not involved in murdering Lt. Rocha other than he fancies her. Yeah, alright she didn't do it but at least have a sense of perspective for a bit mate.

And also they pretty much killed a dog. Fuck that.

I'll stick one on The Masterpiece Society because it's not a terrible episode. I don't even think it's one of the worst in it's season.

The Outrageous Okona" - 1
"The Price" - 0
"Transfigurations" - 2
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 3
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 2
"Bloodlines" - 0
 
As aesthetically pleasing and charming as he is, Okona can't save his episode from the deeply unfunny and cringe-inducing comic-on-the-holodeck stuff (and whatever else was going on), so I'm giving my vote to "Transfigurations" instead. I have fond memories of this one as it was the first on the double ep video cassette I bought purely for "Best of Both Worlds, part 1".

The Outrageous Okona" - 1
"The Price" - 0
"Transfigurations" - 3
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 3
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 2
"Bloodlines" - 0

I've just thought: when I next want my Billy Campbell fix :drool:, I'll just watch "TOO" with the sound off :D
 
Transfiguration is an average episode, with one or two memorable scenes between Dr. Crusher and her patient.
It was also that rare TNG critter, a Crusher-centric episode. And, as previously noted, the least offensive episode remaining.

And that's four votes, so it's saved. My vote in the next round is for "The Masterpiece Society," mainly for the Geordi bits. You could just tell how happy he was to be saving a society that wouldn't have deemed him worthy of existence.

"The Outrageous Okona" - 0
"The Price" - 0
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 1
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 0
"Bloodlines" - 0
 
You could just tell how happy he was to be saving a society that wouldn't have deemed him worthy of existence.
And destroying it (indirectly) was probably even more satisfying. Another vote for Masterpiece.

"The Outrageous Okona" - 0
"The Price" - 0
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 2
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 0
"Bloodlines" - 0
 
I'm going to sound like a broken record at this point, but my vote is for "Birthright, Part II" for the same reasons as before.


"The Outrageous Okona" - 0
"The Price" - 0
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 2
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
 
The Masterpiece Society is next for me. Troi's dreary love story nearly sinks it, but the conversations between Hannah and Geordi, and his realisation that he would never have been created for the colony help to redeem it slightly.

"The Outrageous Okona" - 1
"The Price" - 0
"The Host" - 0
"Galaxy's Child" - 0
"The Masterpiece Society" - 3
"Aquiel" - 0
"Birthright, Part II" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
 
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