The most disappointing Trek Movie..

[Balrog]

I recognize TFF for all of it's flaws (bad jokes, bad SFX, meager budget, watered-down plot), but it had some of the best character moments in all of the TOS movie franchise. Both TFF and TSFS get higher marks frm me for that alone.

TMP is just a beautiful looking movie, certainly the best in all of Trek.

TWOK, TVH, TUC and FC seem to hit on most, if not all, cylinders for most fans.

GEN and NEM are the two "what could have been" movies of the franchise. So much potential. Such poor execution.

INS would have made an alright 2-part episode. They purposely made a movie with the idea they could not "out do the Borg". To me, that's a major sin. One should always attempt to be better than a previous outing. This movie was the weakestest of all simply based on that attitude.

 

[Trimm]

TFF is a deeply flawed movie, there's not a doubt about it. But, it has a lot of heart to it, and some fantastic little moments here and there. Goldsmith's score for it is probably his first or second best outing of all his Trek scores.

TSFS is criminally underrated to me. I think that it follows very naturally from TWOK, and has some of the better character moments of the films.

GEN is one of those movies I enjoyed alot as a kid, but it hasn't aged well. I can see alot of the things they were going for, but the execution just isn't there. Kirk amounts to a cameo basically, and while the refilmed death works much better than the original one, its still pretty weak.

INS is a light flick, not terrible, but not even remotely exceptional.

NEM....well, it just sucks. It's horribly edited (which is astonishing given Baird winning an oscar as an EDITOR), poorly plotted, and the cast just doesn't seem to have their hearts in it. It is by far the worst Trek movie, and it's not even close to me.

 

[gottacook]

Sonak is correct as to the reaction to TMP; I was living in center-city Philly then and I've commented in past threads about the reaction in the local media and among fans there. But I'd forgotten that the Philadelphia Inquirer was all in for the movie even before it premiered - its weekly magazine had a cover story headlined "Star Trek's Creator Succeeds in His Quest," which I have somewhere; the inside text (as I recall), while not explaining the plot at all, was as uncritical as might be expected from a fannish writer all excited about the return of live-action Star Trek, with lots of pretty photos (including the Ilia robot on the exam table with Kirk and McCoy conversing in foreground). The cover art is currently visible online at www.itaggit.com/Items/ItemLinks.aspx?itemId=3505925.

 

[plynch]

The Motion Picture. For the first new live-action Trek in ten years and with a huge budget to work with, they go with a plot borrowed from "the changeling," throw in a half-hour special effects demo reel, and there you go, there's your movie after a ten-year wait, Star Trek fans!


Insurrection is pretty high up there, too.

TMP was amazing at the time. It didn't disappoint me. TFF I was waiting for, after III, a sequel/mop up, and IV, so cute. TFF was disappointing.

 

[Stoek]

Nemesis.

1: The totally unecessary rape of Troi.

2: One of the most credulity breaking pieces of tech ever (micro transporter? Don't even get me started)

3: One of the most pointless deaths ever.

4: Patrick Stewart is a prick. (He made a plea for all the fans to go and see the movie on opening weekend. Which I did. I traveled through a SNOWSTORM because my Captain asked me to. I got treated to one of the vilest pieces of shit ever (one which my wife actually walked out on). And then on monday what was my reward? Having to listen to Stewart on GMA carry on about how the fans didn't support the movie. Gee Patrick it couldn't be that we didn't support it because it SUCKED could it? No of course not. You offered us this perfect gem and we ungrateful bastards spurned your precious precious gift. And yes in case the subtle hints were confusing you, I'm still a little bitter.)

 

[Sybok]

The farther back in time Picard goes the more changes to the timeline he'll make which could be disastrous. Look at all the trouble that occured when McCoy saved Edith Keeler's life. Picard made the right decision to go back to the point right before the Nexus scooped him up, if he wants to do the least amount of damage to the timeline.

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also i agree with the poster that said most of the hate is because of kirk dying, hey at least he died doing something

 

[JarodRussell]

Having Kirk dying was totally unneccessary and a failure by default. There is NO death scene that could have pleased anyone. They fucking killed Kirk. Every death would have been lame.

Generations is based on pretty bad choices. Kirk meets Picard: awful. Kirk dies: fucking awful.

Kirk meeting Picard with Kirk returning to the past would have been awful.



The only thing where I could imagine it would have worked was the First Contact setup. Bad guys travel back in time to destroy the Federation, Picard follows them, and Kirk & the Enterprise play the part of Cochrane & the Phoenix.

 

[Saxman1]

All four TNG films in a dead-heat.

At the time, I saw Generations on my honeymoon with my wife, a fellow Trekker and was in heaven, thinking, "A new Trek movie with Picard meeting Kirk, does it get any better?"

Many years later, I realized I was just accepting anything with the Trek name thrown onto it.....meaning the TNG films. They all stunk. Picard as tough-guy/action hero, Kirk as his muscle man/flunky complete with lame death, the Nexis, Data acting like a jerk (as noted above), the rest of the TNG cast shoved even more into the background than the TOS "little four," the Borg Queen, a Picard clone who looks nothing like Stewart, taking the wrong side in Insurrection, etc. About the only thing they got right was finally marrying Riker and Troi. In Nemesis, Picard and Crusher go back to their "sorta relationship" yet again instead of marrying....ugh....

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It could be ST 5, ST 6 or Nemesis.

 

[Mark 2000]

Having Kirk dying was totally unneccessary and a failure by default. There is NO death scene that could have pleased anyone.

Mmm, I don't know. I still think if it had been Kirk instead of Mark Jameson in "Too Short a Season" on, say, planet Neural it would have been a good send off. Kirk facing a terrible mistake he made (of which he made many and got off scott free) and sacrificing himself to fix it.

 

[Uxi]

1) Insurrection - worst evAr. Instead of an epic Dominion War battle (I always liked the idea of Battle of Betazed, either the initial loss we hear about in DS9 or an attempt to recapture it), we got blech.

2) Nemesis - such wasted potential. Again, instead of an epic battle of the Scimitar trashing that Starfleet task force with the Romulans showing up to help even the odds we mostly got a TWOK imitation. Right down to Spo^^^Data dying. With his katr^^^other model already there to make it only slightly less ambiguous.

I liked First Contact well enough, though. I was a bit annoyed at Kirk's death at the time, and would have preferred they just left him in the Nexus or something but it fits (death comes to everyone, usually when they least expect it) and they should have used references to Carol instead of "Antonia."

3) The Motionless Picture. Too much nostalgia and not enough action.

4) Final Frontier. The Starfleet Lemon was just too implausible as well it being the only ship in the quadrant, in orbit of Earth. lol. I've always raised an eyebrow at the similar line in TMP. Starfleet doesn't keep ANY other starships closer to home? At least have V'ger blow em away or something. The Center of the Galaxy was dumb, too. It could/should have been the same barrier from Where No Man Has Gone Before with the appropriate changes in story. The books connections to VI with Korrd were pretty good, too. A shame they were wasted, as well.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

After reading the original treatment, I have to go with Insurrection. Why on God's Earth did they NOT go with the original idea it was so much better.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I have to go with Star Trek V. It wasn't the worst Trek film; that distinction belongs to Nemesis. But, V was unnecessarily awful, and hence embarrassingly bad.

Star Trek V was the first film that made me believe that Star Trek might really cease production someday.

After V, I was no longer disappointed with how bad Trek got. I had already been prepared for that possibility.

 

[spooky spice]

TFF

It was awful, I felt soo bad for dragging someone to the cinema with me...

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

1) Insurrection - worst evAr. Instead of an epic Dominion War battle (I always liked the idea of Battle of Betazed, either the initial loss we hear about in DS9 or an attempt to recapture it), we got blech.

You can judge the movie on its own merits, sure, but to judge it as "not an epic Dominion War battle" is a bit of wonky reasoning. That's your own projections of what the movie should have been about and has nothing to do with what was presented.

Otherwise you can selfishly do this with every movie ever.

Casablanca - sucked. I wanted a WW2 epic.
Wizard of Oz - sucked. I wanted an alien invasion movie.
Back to the Future - sucked. I wanted a racing movie.

A movie can't ever be about "what I want", a movie has to be about what was created. With billions of people wanting different things, doesn't it go without saying all movies aren't how we would individually make them? Even the great movies we would obviously make differently.

 

[Mr_Homn]

All of the TNG movies. Thankfully TNG got a proper sendoff in it's final episode, unlike TOS, and I can just pretend it ended there.

 

[T'Girl]

Instead of an epic Dominion War battle

Instead of a script with a controversial plot and ethical dilemmas, you'd prefer a movie with just a bunch of special effects.

Save a load of money without those expensive actors.
Just have one guy yelling the word "FIRE," over and over and over again.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

That seems to be the "in" thing on YouTube. I can't find a decent clip without bumping into nine battle simulators and a CG collage.

 

[JediKnightButler]

As far as the TOS movies, "The Final Frontier" was a disappointment, particularly coming off the heels of the previous successful and hugely entertaining character "trilogy". of Star Trek 2-4 yet, despite its obvious cheesiness and self-awareness, I actually enjoyed some aspects of it, the Kirk-Spock-McCoy dynamic being the most developed relationship in the movie/series. "The Undiscovered Country" rehabilitated the series and provided a fitting end to the TOS series.
As far as the TNG movies go, the most disappointing one was probably "Nemesis" yet, unlike the bland "Insurrection", the movie actually felt like a movie, unlike, the more bland "Insurrection" and actually dared to shake up the status quo (i.e. Data dying, Troi and Riker getting married, and some characters leaving the Enterprise). My main problem with the movie was with the lack of continuity with the TV series, the lack of inclusion of any well-established (from the tv series) Romulan characters (we've actually had two movies so far where the villains have been "Romulan" but not connected to the actual Empire in any official way). After seeing some of the deleted scenes, I wish that they had kept some of them in as well. The movie overall felt clunky and poorly executed- but had the potential to be somewhat more. I have to give it some props for scenes like the Enterprise ramming the Schimitar and Data's death scene.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

My main problem with the movie was with the lack of continuity with the TV series, the lack of inclusion of any well-established (from the tv series) Romulan characters (we've actually had two movies so far where the villains have been "Romulan" but not connected to the actual Empire in any official way).

I don't know, with how many billions of Romulans out there, the galaxy seems rather small when you keep running into Tomalak all the time.

I like how they change it up.