By letting Picard meet Kirk. The very idea is messed up to begin with.
The most disappointing Trek Movie..
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By letting Picard meet Kirk. The very idea is messed up to begin with.
I read about a script that was written for Generations in which Kirk would only appear in the movie as a holodeck person that Picard would go to for help in dealing with a creature that's damaging our universe. Would you rather have Kirk appear only on the holodeck, thru the Nexus, or not at all?? Just curious...
I don't think Picard forget them at all in the end he did go back for his photo album. And Picard being a career officer wasn't going to let his grief get in the way his mission ot stop Soran. And gong back to arrest Soran in Ten Forward is still nothing more than pressing a reset button.
Star Trek: The Motion Picture is actually my favorite of the series.
If you look at movies from that era like Close Encounters and Superman the movie, you can see the influence of 2001 a Space Odyssey. Special effects were used to draw people into the story and create a believable world. These days, everyone pretty much accepts all kinds of things, even rather fake looking CGI. So if you saw it in a theater back in '79 you may remember that it was rather cool to see Star Trek done in a believable way for the first time. Plus the actors were fairly young.
Star Trek V is my least favorite. What a terrible story.
If you look at movies from that era like Close Encounters and Superman the movie, you can see the influence of 2001 a Space Odyssey. Special effects were used to draw people into the story and create a believable world. These days, everyone pretty much accepts all kinds of things, even rather fake looking CGI. So if you saw it in a theater back in '79 you may remember that it was rather cool to see Star Trek done in a believable way for the first time. Plus the actors were fairly young.
Star Trek V is my least favorite. What a terrible story.
Arrest Soran for crimes his future self will/may commit? Isn't that "Minority Report"?
Sounds like These Are The Voyages to me, and we've seen how that turned out.
Picard meeting Kirk is the prime example of fanwank.
There are a few that have disappointing aspects about them:
TMP - I know they were trying to be different from Star Wars, so as not to be seen as "cashing in" on its success, but some action and adventure would have been nice. Also Decker and Ilia were underused, and then needlessly gotten rid of at the end.
TSFS - The fact that they couldn't leave Spock resting in peace. Decker could have been brought back, or kept Saavik for the remaining films.
TFF - It was made.
GEN - Too much focus on "passing the torch".
INS - The whole premise of rogue Starfleet and a "fountain of youth" planet.
NEM - Worf suddenly back in uniform. Data is suddenly back to how he was in TNG. Shinzon and Picard having pointless discussions. B-4 retaining Data's memories.
TMP - I know they were trying to be different from Star Wars, so as not to be seen as "cashing in" on its success, but some action and adventure would have been nice. Also Decker and Ilia were underused, and then needlessly gotten rid of at the end.
TSFS - The fact that they couldn't leave Spock resting in peace. Decker could have been brought back, or kept Saavik for the remaining films.
TFF - It was made.
GEN - Too much focus on "passing the torch".
INS - The whole premise of rogue Starfleet and a "fountain of youth" planet.
NEM - Worf suddenly back in uniform. Data is suddenly back to how he was in TNG. Shinzon and Picard having pointless discussions. B-4 retaining Data's memories.
TFF.
You could hold Soran on suspicion of... something... and then after the Nexus has passed just go "OH WELL SORRY" and let him go.
Denial of personal liberty on a trumped up, phony charge? Doesn't sound very 24th century Starfleet to me.
While there's plenty of wiggle room when we're talking about a future fictional society, they're supposedly an outgrowth of our own cultures. As I've already pointed out in this thread "conspiracy to commit" could likely be brought up against Dr. Soran since he worked in collusion with the Duras sisters. In planning to extinguish the primary star of the Veridian system, I'm sure we're looking at conspiracy to commit genocide. Plus, I doubt lawmakers sat on their hands after Genesis; there must be some sort of environmental law against tampering with stars and planets on such a scale. How was the trilithium obtained? I doubt it was with the approval of the Romulans, who seemed intent on getting it back, so there might be fraud and theft charges appropriate to file against the Duras sisters and associates.
Working out the mechanics of shutting down the inner workings of a star should be a legal, though controversial undertaking. Obtaining the trilithium and putting it into a warhead and pointing it at a star?
I invite you to obtain plutonium, build an atomic bomb, and then transport it into New York City to experience an analogous set of circumstances in the real world.
It's not, which is why I can't see Picard ever doing something like that. For that matter he could've gone back in time and locked up Soran on the Enterprise B and Kirk never would've "died" in the first place.
With regardess to TMP, how much of that disappointment was down to too high an expectation of the movie itself to begin with. After all if a film is hyped to much all it can do is dissapoint.
As I've only seen from TVH onwards I can only say which of them dissapointed. Which would be TFF
This all sounds like the ending of Bill and Ted Go To Hell,* or whatever that flick was called. Everybody goes back in time one minute earlier to foil the others' plans ad infinitum.
(*My young son wanted to see that one, so I endured it out of duty. Still a painful memory.)
Most disappointing Trek film is easily Wrath of Khan. That pile of garbage has been played up as some second coming of the messiah for science fiction, and it's a movie I'd give a 3 or 4 out of 10 at best. Ties with Nemesis for amount of stupid developments that occur solely because the plot requires them to, though at least Nemesis definitely has more going for it overall.
I haven't really enjoyed a Trek film since the fourth one. 
Trek works better ON TELEVISION. The novels, the comics, the films...more often than not...let me down.
Trek works better ON TELEVISION. The novels, the comics, the films...more often than not...let me down.
I haven't really enjoyed a Trek film since the fourth one.
Trek works better ON TELEVISION. The novels, the comics, the films...more often than not...let me down.
Aye. I'll second this.
I haven't really enjoyed a Trek film since the fourth one.
Trek works better ON TELEVISION. The novels, the comics, the films...more often than not...let me down.
I dunno. Percentage wise I think I approve of more film Trek than I do TV Trek. Especially considering I see three entire series as irredeemable trash.
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