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some of trump's new tariffs are now the subject of a lawsuit brought by two small business.

they are using the non-profit law firm Liberty Justice Centre.

the current score is Liberty Justice Center 1, trump tariffs 0 after leading the challenge on his "liberty day" tarffis.

www.abc.net.au

Businesses sue Trump as he defends 'very standard tariffs'

Two small US businesses sue the US president to try to stop him from placing new tariffs on imports from scores of countries, including Australia.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
Owain Taggart said:
This is where I think I could see the use of AI being banned on the floor.
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Won’t matter. AIs will soon (some are probably capable already) generate Word (or other) documents automatically and edit out any AI asides, prompts, or other clear giveaways like the one described in the article. It can already do so if prompted. In fact, it can suggest it without being asked to do so.

(I play around with AI to generate plausible responses to the assignments I give my students—easier to prove cheating if I have timestamped AI answers before they submit their assignments).

Soon enough our department will have to completely revamp our evaluation methods. I have already modified things as far as I can within the rules of the college but we’ll need administrative approval for changes beyond that. Means at least 3-4 more years.
 
Ovation said:
Won’t matter. AIs will soon (some are probably capable already) generate Word (or other) documents automatically and edit out any AI asides, prompts, or other clear giveaways like the one described in the article. It can already do so if prompted. In fact, it can suggest it without being asked to do so.
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If they use it at home or at work, fine. At least learn to use it properly. But when you see something like this happen in an official setting, I feel it likely weakens their argument. because you're then no longer questioning what they're presenting, you're questioning the methods they might be using and how it might reflect on them as a representative, and that is distracting. It makes me wonder if the person doing the speaking knows his stuff and if they really deserve to be on the floor.
 
Owain Taggart said:
If they use it at home or at work, fine. At least learn to use it properly. But when you see something like this happen in an official setting, I feel it likely weakens their argument. because you're then no longer questioning what they're presenting, you're questioning the methods they might be using and how it might reflect on them as a representative, and that is distracting. It makes me wonder if the person doing the speaking knows his stuff and if they really deserve to be on the floor.
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I’m not endorsing its use without guardrails. This was a stupid thing for him to do. But, like it or not, we will have to learn to integrate AI into many areas currently highly resistant to it, which will require major, and, at times, unsettling changes in ways of training, evaluating, and doing tasks. It’s unavoidable. But this politician’s error should be easily corrected.
 
Yeah, I guess it definitely needs guardrails, and rules as to when it's proper to use. They maybe even need some disclaimers when they are using it. But it definitely does change how one views a politician on the floor; does he know as much as he claims, or is he chiefly parroting what the AI tells him? Does he know without the AI telling him and simply using the AI as a tool to gather than information?

I mean, I expect a constituent to know what they are talking about, even if they have to do research, sometimes which requires boots on the ground. Sometimes AI will have inaccurate results in areas that are underrepresented. I've had it happen to me with AI giving me wildly inaccurate results via information it was conflating from different and incompatible sources, a result of there not being enough information to go on. And that's rather alarming, and I feel it shows AI should never be used as a primary source of information.
 
Owain Taggart said:
Yeah, I guess it definitely needs guardrails, and rules as to when it's proper to use. They maybe even need some disclaimers when they are using it. But it definitely does change how one views a politician on the floor; does he know as much as he claims, or is he chiefly parroting what the AI tells him? Does he know without the AI telling him and simply using the AI as a tool to gather than information?

I mean, I expect a constituent to know what they are talking about, even if they have to do research, sometimes which requires boots on the ground. Sometimes AI will have inaccurate results in areas that are underrepresented. I've had it happen to me with AI giving me wildly inaccurate results via information it was conflating from different and incompatible sources, a result of there not being enough information to go on. And that's rather alarming, and I feel it shows AI should never be used as a primary source of information.
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What I couldn't tell from the article was: if the speech was originally written, and then AI was used to change the tone of the speech; or if AI wrote the speech based on prompts, and then a prompt accidentally made it into the speech due to a bad copy and paste. I feel like AI is being used as the next step up from Grammarly, which is a step up from simple grammar and spelling checks.
 
bdub76 said:
What I couldn't tell from the article was: if the speech was originally written, and then AI was used to change the tone of the speech; or if AI wrote the speech based on prompts, and then a prompt accidentally made it into the speech due to a bad copy and paste. I feel like AI is being used as the next step up from Grammarly, which is a step up from simple grammar and spelling checks.
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Good point. That kind of AI use would be more in line with its use as a tool. And yeah, in that case, it's strange that the prompt wasn't noticed before printing.
 
Avro Arrow said:
I feel that if Trudeau was still in charge, they would have already been made public by now. Hopefully Carney doesn't just capitulate like he's done before. As we've seen, capitulation gets us nothing.
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Pierre Trudeau has been showing up in my FB feed quite a bit today.

Somebody get me a time machine. I want to go back and grab him from the 1980s and bring him to now so he can mop the floor with Danielle Smith (and other irritants, both Canadian and foreign).

One of the advantages of being 60+ is that I don't have to wonder if his speeches and interviews were real or not. I saw them myself on the nightly news.

Avro Arrow said:
This could even be a generational rift.
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Current estimate on some of the Canadian political channels on YT is about 20-30 years. I started predicting 30 years last year, because there's no way they're going to be able to start cleaning up this mess any time soon, and there's no way the current batch of Canadian school kids aren't learning to distrust American politicians.

Carney was in my city the other day to announce something. I'm more than a bit sleep-deprived these days, so I don't remember what he was going to announce. I just remember feeling incredibly annoyed that we weren't told where it was going to happen. Of course Smitler wouldn't want all those inconvenient AISH/ADAP protesters showing up and letting him know directly how she's screwing us over.
 
Avro Arrow said:
Hey, I read that a number of AISH/ADAP recipients were severely underpaid this month?


Hopefully you weren't affected by that?
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It's an absolute mess. There are people going unpaid until next week (like Tuesday or Wednesday, because Monday is a stat holiday and everything is closed), and of course that's past the deadline for rent and some utilities. I had my own utilities billing cycle adjusted the last time the UCP screwed with the AISH dates, so I have a few days' leeway.

I'm one of the lucky ones this time. Smitler is still stealing my Canada Disability Benefit, but at least I've got the rest of it.

Grocery shopping tomorrow. Good thing I stocked up on cat food last month.
 
Yep, it's always the pattern. Not to mention that the goalposts are always moving. And I've heard that the real reason for it is due to the dairy sector and that he won't be happy until those are fixed from his point of view, but that wouldn't be taking into account that we have to be protective of our own dairy industry, as unchecked access to our market would be devastating to our industry, which is why it's a non negotioable for us given our industry's smaller size. We also have more stringent food-safety rules which they don't have.
 
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