If I recall correctly the darksaber has a lot of symbolic value to it for the Mandalorians. Again, IIRC, according to tradition, he or she who wields the blade has a claim on leadership over the Mandalorians.
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If I recall correctly the darksaber has a lot of symbolic value to it for the Mandalorians. Again, IIRC, according to tradition, he or she who wields the blade has a claim on leadership over the Mandalorians.
Ooh... That’s good. Maybe Gideon will organize the Madolorians against Mando.
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What bugs me is the Mando not being aware of the Jedi. The Mandalorians, in particular, should be aware of the Jedi. I'd be find if Din Djarrin didn't believe in their powers, or the Force. He came of age in the Imperial period when seeing them in action would have been an impossibility. But not being told stories of what should have been an important part of Mandalorian culture kind of bothers me. So him not connecting the Child's powers to the Force at first blush is fine. But the Smith should have been able to explain with that single word: Jedi.
Especially when you're hinging part of your tease for season 2 on the Darksaber. It feels like they're trying to have it both ways on the subject.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, considering the Jedi were very involved in RECENT Mandalorian history. It wasn't just the ancient stories the Armorer talks about. She should know about the stuff that happened just a couple decades ago...
What bugs me is the Mando not being aware of the Jedi. The Mandalorians, in particular, should be aware of the Jedi. I'd be find if Din Djarrin didn't believe in their powers, or the Force. He came of age in the Imperial period when seeing them in action would have been an impossibility. But not being told stories of what should have been an important part of Mandalorian culture kind of bothers me. So him not connecting the Child's powers to the Force at first blush is fine. But the Smith should have been able to explain with that single word: Jedi.
Especially when you're hinging part of your tease for season 2 on the Darksaber. It feels like they're trying to have it both ways on the subject.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, considering the Jedi were very involved in RECENT Mandalorian history. It wasn't just the ancient stories the Armorer talks about. She should know about the stuff that happened just a couple decades ago...
Why? The Mandalorians lost their Homeworld, and have been scattered ever since. Plus, the Empire kept purging Mandalorian enclaves when they found them, plus there is no centralized network for the free flow of information. IE - Unless she was part of an operation involving actual Jedi, she probably wouldn't know much. Hell, I was surprised she had any knowledge of Yoda's race or Homeworld. When you don't have free/easy access to info, it's not hard for a totalitarian government to control and compartmentalize everything.
Again, in the era the Mandalorian takes place in, there is ONE living Jedi remaining - Luke Skywalker. And during the time of the OT - there were only 3 (4 if you include Vader) Obi-Wan, Luke, and Yoda.
So yeah, as well traveled as Mando may be, he made his livelihood as a Bounty Hunter and didn't concern himself with the Rebellion or much else as it didn't directly concern or affect him.
I'd also say the Mandalorian Armorer was the same. She concerned herself with maintaining the enclave and wasn't that interested in much beyond that - even after the majority of them moved on.
To play devil’s advocate, the events that happened in TCW seemed to be limited in scope to just the Death Watch and maybe a couple of clans. But in principle I agree, the Jedi should be well known among Mandolorian warrior culture.
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Since the flashbacks of Djarrin showed us the events of the clone wars affecting his home planet, i would love to see, in season 2, Mando having flashbacks of the imperial attack on Mandolore that devasated the Mandolorians.
I am also surprised that Mando was not aware of the Jedi. The Mandolorians and the Jedi were historical enemies in the Star Wars universe.
It is like a Roman not knowing about Carthage.
The Jedi were already almost extinct when Mando was growing up, but his Mandolorian compatriots must have made some mention to him about the Jedi in the past.
As for the Moff Gideon, it is good to see a former Imperial Security Bureau agent as the main antagonist. We get to see the Imperial side without any ruinous Sith running them now.
The Flame Trooper was damn cool.
I am also surprised that Mando was not aware of the Jedi. The Mandolorians and the Jedi were historical enemies in the Star Wars universe.
It is like a Roman not knowing about Carthage.
The Jedi were already almost extinct when Mando was growing up, but his Mandolorian compatriots must have made some mention to him about the Jedi in the past.
As for the Moff Gideon, it is good to see a former Imperial Security Bureau agent as the main antagonist. We get to see the Imperial side without any ruinous Sith running them now.
The Flame Trooper was damn cool.
It's basic history to a Mandalorian.. The times the Jedi and mando. Fought.. It's like.. Oh we forgot the revolutionary war... Not like the war of 1812 or Spanish american war
And many alderainians said... May the force be with you.. Bit of a stretch knowing of the forcecbut not of the Jedi..
Plus mando is probably close to 40..
And many alderainians said... May the force be with you.. Bit of a stretch knowing of the forcecbut not of the Jedi..
Plus mando is probably close to 40..
and so you quote said spoiler without tagging.
He didn't believe in the force though.
Please tag that spoiler. The Tag for this thread is only for this show, not the entire franchise.
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Ok, so the comparison I'm going to draw isn't the most accurate for the situation, but after considering it for a few minutes it's the one that best captures my thought on this.
Native American tribes in the North America have suffered. Been wiped out. Forced onto reservations. They've lost their old ways and traditions, or had them rendered largely moot. But in many of those tribes there are at least some who hold onto them. The old stories and legends, the old rituals. It's seen as too important a part of their culture to let it die.
In my mind the Mandalorians should be similar, given what we've seen of where they're at in this period. Especially a sect that is apparently so devoted to the Creed (which, in fairness, we don't actually know that much about at this point) that they are sworn never to remove their helmets under penalty of losing their status as Mandalorians? For them to have abandoned something as tied to their warrior culture as their history with the Jedi bothers me. It's apparently what we're going with, and that is what it is. I'll deal, and I still look forward to the show and hopefully more Mando lore developments as we move forward. Maybe we'll revisit the topic and get some idea of how such a thing happened, maybe we won't.
But, as I said, it just bothers me. It's at odds with the mental image I had formed of the Mandalorians from previous material, and so it bears looking at.
Mandalorian culture and lore doesn't have to be monolithic. Look at the variety in the aforementioned Native American tribes. And that's on two continents. That's not a whole planet plus whatever colony worlds.
She doesn't. She assumes that Baby Yoda is a "Jedi" because Jedi have the kinds of powers he is described as having. It sounds like she might even think Jedi IS his race. She doesn't know anything about BY's ACTUAL race.
While your point is good in principle I have to ask, have you seen Star Wars?
Ocean Planet. Desert Planet. Jungle Moon. They do monolithic, it's kind of their thing.
It’s an unfortunate trapping of science fiction. Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans; most if not all the major and minor races in Trek are pretty much one-trick ponies, despite hours and hours of screen time devoted to them culminating in sadly little cultural variety. B5 had this problem too. They all do.
Keep in mind that Din was essentially raised by a cult, with a vested interest in extolling the greatness of their warrior traditions. He only knows what they saw fit to teach him.
Note that the Armourer only said that Mandalore The Great fought the Jedi. She neglected to mention they kicked his armoured butt and brought Mandalorian expansion to a screeching halt. It may be a big part of their history, but it's one they'd probably rather not dwell on. Cultures rarely celebrate their own ancient defeats, particularly when they've suffered much more recent set-backs and are in the processes of rebuilding.
I mean how much time is dedicated in American classrooms to teaching about the Vietnam War? About as much as gets spent in British classrooms about the American Revolution I'd imagine.
Jango wore the trappings of a Mandalorian, but was not considered one by Mandalore. Din is a Mandalorian in that he was taken in and raised as one. "Mandalorian" is a culture as well as (multiple) species.
...I think that's right. A SW expert will correct me real soon if not.
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