In the entire rebellion shown in the original Star Wars trilogy there were a total of three Jedi involved.
Thus, I don't find it odd that the Jedi are not well-known either in the rebellion or the Star Wars Galaxy in general. YMMV.
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Thus, I don't find it odd that the Jedi are not well-known either in the rebellion or the Star Wars Galaxy in general. YMMV.
The figure we're given in Rebels is 10,000, though it's unclear if that was before or after the war depleted their numbers...well, not *after* after so much as just prior to Order 66.
To put that in perspective, as per the AotC crawl: the initial group of Seperatists numbered several thousand *systems* and Dooku later claimed ten thousand more would follow. Though we don't know if that was an accurate claim, it gives an indication of the scale of the Republic if they make up only a relatively small portion. I'm pretty sure Lucas has said in the past that it's something like a hundred thousand systems or a million planets.
If so then it's not one Jedi per system, it's one Jedi for every *hundred* systems, and assuming that doesn't count padawans or initiates it's not like most of them were ever deployed at once. Whichever way you cut it, on a galactic scale the Jedi are exceedingly rare. Some planets may not have ever been visited by a Jedi, others might not have been visited in centuries. And even if they did, it's not like they typically announce their presence to the whole population.
I have to admit, I was a little surprised that they have the Jedi as such an unknown thing in the post-RoTJ galaxy, but I guess when you consider the scale of things, it's not that hard to accept, especially since from what people have said, the Empire seemed to make a point of covering up as much of their existence as they could.
Nice.
Yeah, that really did feel like a live action version of a scene from The Clone Wars.
I finished the series, and it was pretty good. Its biggest flaw is introducing another group of Mandalorians that has to be separate from all the other ones (You'd think that Dave Filoni would know that the vast majority of Mandalorians take off their helmets all the time, since he's written/worked on all of their canon appearances...), and I wish the main Mandalorian wasn't treated as such an incompetent fool so much, but overall it was an enjoyable ride with some really cool stuff and I'm definitely excited for Season 2.
Also, I really, REALLY want Boba Fett to show up and kick the main Mando's ass in Season 2. Sure, the Mandalorian will inevitably escape, but the action on this show is so great that I think a Boba Fett/Mando fight would be awesome.
Also, I really, REALLY want Boba Fett to show up and kick the main Mando's ass in Season 2. Sure, the Mandalorian will inevitably escape, but the action on this show is so great that I think a Boba Fett/Mando fight would be awesome.
The Jedi/Force business is plain dumb and wrong. Yes, Luke didn't know about them, but he was a simple farmboy on a backwater world. Han Solo had certainly heard of them. The Imperial officers knew what those concepts were.
Mando and Greef were well-traveled guys who had been over the galaxy, interacting with all kinds of people. Cara Dune was from Alderaan and worked for the Rebellion.
The Force wasn't just the province of a small, insular cult. It was a wide-spread religious belief. Non-Jedi across the galaxy believed in the Force. People knew what it was. Even the "Imperial propaganda" excuse doesn't work, as it had only been a couple of decades and these were characters who were alive during the Republic era.
The Rebellion used "May the Force Be With You" as a very common greeting and rallying cry. No way Cara Dune had never heard of the Force.
The Jedi were a major part of the government, with their "offices" in the capital, who worked with the highest levels of the government.
This just doesn't wash at all. Lame.
Mando and Greef were well-traveled guys who had been over the galaxy, interacting with all kinds of people. Cara Dune was from Alderaan and worked for the Rebellion.
The Force wasn't just the province of a small, insular cult. It was a wide-spread religious belief. Non-Jedi across the galaxy believed in the Force. People knew what it was. Even the "Imperial propaganda" excuse doesn't work, as it had only been a couple of decades and these were characters who were alive during the Republic era.
The Rebellion used "May the Force Be With You" as a very common greeting and rallying cry. No way Cara Dune had never heard of the Force.
The Jedi were a major part of the government, with their "offices" in the capital, who worked with the highest levels of the government.
This just doesn't wash at all. Lame.
Or the intent is to show that after the Mandalorian Purge by the Empire, many of the surviving Mandalorians chose to incorporate a new tradition (perhaps based on an old one that fell out of favor with many factions because of its rigidity) of not removing their helmets in front of another living being. In addition to becoming a quasi-religious function, it would help to conceal their identities and keep their families safe(r), something that would be of great concern after the Purge with so few survivors left.
Cara was a shock trooper, who knows where.. but yeah.. people in Mando and TFA not knowing what the hell the force is crap.. Maybe in a backwater or unknown regions maybe.. but Aldeeran? or Corsucunt? Nope..
Why would living on Coruscant or Alderaan necessitate people knowing about the force as a fact? I mean to most it's just a religious concept, like many many others that are shared by many many religions.
Even during the height of the Republic when the Jedi were at their peak, to most citizens of the capital, if they heard about them at all they were either some weird, shady religious cult of sorcerers and soothsayers that advice the politicians, and on the odd occasion one does venture down to 1313 or thereabouts, it usually results in trouble and/or dismemberments. If anything, they'd be a ghost story to most ordinary people.
As for Alderaan: do the Jedi have a temple on Alderaan? Or any significant presence at all? How often would any Jedi have cause to go to such a peaceful world? And in the time of the Empire one imagines it's flat out illegal for the universities to teach anything Jedi related, or indeed anything at all that doesn't line up with the state sanctioned curriculum. Again, anyone that's old enough to know different knows to keep their mouths shut, while the younger generation just aren't going to be told any different.
Here's a real world example of how fast and pervasive information suppression can be: until the new 'Watchmen' TV show I had never heard of the 1921 Black Wall Street Massacre, a reaction that seems to be shared by most non-African American viewers. It's by no means a secret, but it's simply not taught which is astonishing given the facts of the incident and many many many similar ones across the 19th & 20th century. If what I read is correct: the generation born in Tulsa after the massacre (black and white) were just as ignorant because *nobody talked about it*. Not the survivors, not the perpetrators, not the press and certainly not the government. It took *decades* for it to come to light.
My money is on this being a super orthodox cult that was once the spiritual arm of Death Watch, which after the schism caused by Maul and subsequent purges by Bo Katan, and later by the Empire, it became all that was left of that organisation.
If they follow the pattern of such groups then they probably consider themselves the only "true" Mandalorians because they follow The Creed and that's all that counts.
I don't think Vizla was ever a true believer; he just wanted power for himself. Those that followed him like Clan Wren seemed more moderate and mostly concerned with loosing their cultural heritage (and possibly the prestige and influence that it afforded them) to Satine's pacifist reforms. And again, to them it's not a religion, it's just culture and heritage. That whole "never take your helmet off" is just some archaic nonsense from eons ago and about as relevant as tales of mythosaurs riders and the Jedi Crusades. The kind of thing only fringe zealots buy into.
I'm still not 100% sure what Bo Katan's deal was or why she fell in with Vizla; we've seen her complicit in what can only be described as terrorism, not just the bombings against political targets, but enslaving and murdering powerless villagers simply because they can. I'd really like to see her and Satine's backstory explored at some point.
Even during the height of the Republic when the Jedi were at their peak, to most citizens of the capital, if they heard about them at all they were either some weird, shady religious cult of sorcerers and soothsayers that advice the politicians, and on the odd occasion one does venture down to 1313 or thereabouts, it usually results in trouble and/or dismemberments. If anything, they'd be a ghost story to most ordinary people.
As for Alderaan: do the Jedi have a temple on Alderaan? Or any significant presence at all? How often would any Jedi have cause to go to such a peaceful world? And in the time of the Empire one imagines it's flat out illegal for the universities to teach anything Jedi related, or indeed anything at all that doesn't line up with the state sanctioned curriculum. Again, anyone that's old enough to know different knows to keep their mouths shut, while the younger generation just aren't going to be told any different.
Here's a real world example of how fast and pervasive information suppression can be: until the new 'Watchmen' TV show I had never heard of the 1921 Black Wall Street Massacre, a reaction that seems to be shared by most non-African American viewers. It's by no means a secret, but it's simply not taught which is astonishing given the facts of the incident and many many many similar ones across the 19th & 20th century. If what I read is correct: the generation born in Tulsa after the massacre (black and white) were just as ignorant because *nobody talked about it*. Not the survivors, not the perpetrators, not the press and certainly not the government. It took *decades* for it to come to light.
My money is on this being a super orthodox cult that was once the spiritual arm of Death Watch, which after the schism caused by Maul and subsequent purges by Bo Katan, and later by the Empire, it became all that was left of that organisation.
If they follow the pattern of such groups then they probably consider themselves the only "true" Mandalorians because they follow The Creed and that's all that counts.
I don't think Vizla was ever a true believer; he just wanted power for himself. Those that followed him like Clan Wren seemed more moderate and mostly concerned with loosing their cultural heritage (and possibly the prestige and influence that it afforded them) to Satine's pacifist reforms. And again, to them it's not a religion, it's just culture and heritage. That whole "never take your helmet off" is just some archaic nonsense from eons ago and about as relevant as tales of mythosaurs riders and the Jedi Crusades. The kind of thing only fringe zealots buy into.
I'm still not 100% sure what Bo Katan's deal was or why she fell in with Vizla; we've seen her complicit in what can only be described as terrorism, not just the bombings against political targets, but enslaving and murdering powerless villagers simply because they can. I'd really like to see her and Satine's backstory explored at some point.
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It's not like information was widespread like we think of it. In Legends, at least, in the time of the Empire, the Holonet was completely Imperial controlled. We take for granted that we can access information readily, but Star Wars has never portrayed information being accessible that way.
There are some things that people don't focus on, and the goings on of the governments planets away would not be the concern of most galactic citizens. Certainly the Empire would tightly control what information goes were to their citizens. And the Rebels would be busy pushing their own propaganda.
There are some things that people don't focus on, and the goings on of the governments planets away would not be the concern of most galactic citizens. Certainly the Empire would tightly control what information goes were to their citizens. And the Rebels would be busy pushing their own propaganda.
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When was there another Darksaber introduced? It has to be the one Maul had until Rebels.
I think he just means it's not really Maul's weapon, at least not at this point since it past to Sabine then Bo Katan. Plus of course Maul is dead.
Of course it was stolen from the Jedi temple, so any claim of ownership is going to be inherently dubious.
The Jedi were basically the sole enforcement arm of the federal government during the Republic. There was no standing army. The Jedi were peacekeepers and guardians.
I've personally never met a member of the FBI, but I know they exist. They weren't a "tiny mystery cult", they had a massive office in Coruscant near the capital. They were a big part of the known government, even if "most people" never actually met one of them.
The Force was a widespread religious belief. Historically, even oppressive societies haven't been able to ban and erase religion from people's lives, despite specifically trying to do so.
Even if you don't believe in Christianity or Buddhism, most people on earth have at least heard of these ideas and even 20 years of repression can't erase that from the population.
Greef, Mando, Cara - these aren't backwater Luke Skywalkers, they come from cosmpolitan worlds (Cara) or are well-traveled guys who have been across the galaxy and back again. Han Solo certainly knew of the force and Jedi, despite having a dismissive attitude.
doesn't wash. Period.
See, I don't have a problem with them not recognizing Jedi or the Force. It's been established that it's the stuff of rumor and legend elsewhere in the franchise, and especially running around the fringes and knee deep in war it doesn't bother me that the characters don't immediately make the connections the audience does.
What bugs me is the Mando not being aware of the Jedi. The Mandalorians, in particular, should be aware of the Jedi. I'd be find if Din Djarrin didn't believe in their powers, or the Force. He came of age in the Imperial period when seeing them in action would have been an impossibility. But not being told stories of what should have been an important part of Mandalorian culture kind of bothers me. So him not connecting the Child's powers to the Force at first blush is fine. But the Smith should have been able to explain with that single word: Jedi.
Especially when you're hinging part of your tease for season 2 on the Darksaber. It feels like they're trying to have it both ways on the subject.
I'm curious to know how the Darksaber is going to help Moff Gideon in any way. Don't get me wrong, it's cool. I was geeking out when Gideon cut himself out of the TIE wreckage with the Darksaber, and sure, Jedi and Sith use these weapons to great effect, but that's due in large part to the force and their abilities.
AFAIK, Gideon doesn't have any of these abilities and while he may be an expert swordsman (we don't even know that yet), Mando has blasters, a flamethrower, a jetpack and Beskar steel, which should be able to deflect a blow or two from the darksaber. If it comes to a close range, mano-y-mano fight, Gideon's way out of his league.
I'm think S2 will end with Mando beating the snot out of Gideon and taking the Darksaber as his own.
AFAIK, Gideon doesn't have any of these abilities and while he may be an expert swordsman (we don't even know that yet), Mando has blasters, a flamethrower, a jetpack and Beskar steel, which should be able to deflect a blow or two from the darksaber. If it comes to a close range, mano-y-mano fight, Gideon's way out of his league.
I'm think S2 will end with Mando beating the snot out of Gideon and taking the Darksaber as his own.
When the darksaber re-emerged in rebels and Sabine tried to use it, she commented on its "weight", which was apparently an affectation of an inexperienced non-force user trying to wield it. It took time for the blade to get "used" to her and make it her own. If Gideon has it and appears comfortable with it, that means he's had it for a long time and has trained with it. This would imply a mastery of the blade that should not be underestimated - by Mando or anyone else who goes up against him while it's ignited.
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