I love how a thread on Klingons and their heads temporarily sidetracked into a debate on my sig. Brilliant!
The Klingon Head
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That seems quite reasonable to me.
We know that IMDB lists two actors (and a young boy actor!) as "Klingon Prison Guards" and two other actors as "Klingon Camp Prisoners", so why would it be so hard to believe that this trailer scene is one that shows Nero escpaing from a 24th century Klingon prison.
I'm not saying that is definitely the case, but it seems quite plausible to me.
...and I would again like to point out that I don't think Abrams will show the foreheads of the Klingons at all (at least not in this movie), thus the question as to "do they have ridges or not" is irrelevant.
Right, that's very possible indeed. If it's not that however, I believe they are TOS era Klingons.
When I saw the trailer, my thought was that the helmets were a nice idea to avoid the issue of ridged vs. non-ridged Klingons. If they're 24th century, they have no point (although look kind cool). I think I'll wait and find out for sure, although based on the spoilers/consensus posted, I guess they're 24th Century.
Eh...that must be the Australian version. I fondly remember it as "laid and egg" and "got away".
I know it doesn't rhyme, but we Americans don't need no stinkin' rhyming.
Shame on you folks ... always consult canon! (Although I was singing this long before anyone even considered making the cartoon.)
Heh, so was I, but there also appear to be any number of variant versions. Some of them appear to be regional, others perhaps not.
Mine dates back to 1968. (I think, at the time, we thought we'd made it up!)
Supposedly, there was a significant Klingon sub-plot in an earlier version of the script. I'm curious if the intention all along was to have helmeted Klingons to slide past any continuity issues. It seems odd, though. There are large facial openings on the mask portion of the head gear. It should be possible to discern when the film comes out whether we're dealing with TOS human-like Klingons or TMP or later variants.
Well, don't take my reprimand too seriously ... I was just pleased to see that someone had already uploaded exactly the clip I wanted to YouTube and figured a remark about "canon" put us close to being back on topic in a Star Trek discussion. Just in case I ruffled any feathers, I've since decided to dedicate a full twenty minutes of my life to researching the origins of this little parody as penance. I'd hoped Cecil Adams of "Straight Dope" or Wikipedia would be able to help, but alas, I found nothing in either, and a general Google search turned up little more than page after page of childhood recollections ... with a disturbing number of uninformed youngsters attributing it to Bart Simpson! Kids these days! Anyway, Therin's attribution of 1968 is among the earliest claims for first sung, and that roughly matches my recollection (~1969) but I did find someone claiming to have sung it in 1966.
And there are plenty of variations ... Batgirl broke a leg, Mr. Freeze cut the cheese ... and lots of arguments about the correct lyrics.
My guess is that it was inspired by the Adam West Batman series which premiered in 1966, but how schoolchildren circulated the jingle so quickly around the whole freaking planet is a testament to pre-internet communications.
Jingle Bells, Nero smells,
Scotty beamed a pooch.
Enterprise lost warp drive
And Klingons wear helmets -- hey!
There, back on topic.
Precisely! In those days, a TV show which premiered in the USA in September didn't reach Australia until the next February, so the time lag was useful for marketing departments and toy manufacturers and distributors, and most of the kids kept ignorant of what they'd been missing out on for all those months.
The Internet is the great equalizer, since I'm usually as current of goss as the rest of you - and even ahead sometimes, when the International Date Line works in my favour, such as the upcoming premiere of JJ's ST!
My guess is we'll get ridge-headed Klingons because Nero breaks out of Klingon custody in the Picard era. From where Spock has to travel in order to set things right. By the late 24th century all the Klingons we see on screen have ridges.
Therin --
I'm glad you brough this up, because I was thinking about this the other day. I live in th Eastern Time Zone of the United States (UT minus 5). Sydney Australia is 16 hours ahead, so it is already 'tomorrow' there relative to me.
Therefore, if Star Trek opens in Eastern Australia at Midnight on May 7th, wouldn't that mean it would be 8:00 AM on May 6th here in the Eastern U.S.? It seems to me that Sydney is seeing the film more than 1 1/2 days before New York and the rest of the Eastern U.S., and that's not just a function of timezones.
Even if timezones were ignored, you are seeing it a full day before anyone else.(unless I did my timezone math incorrectly
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Therin --
I'm glad you brough this up, because I was thinking about this the other day. I live in th Eastern Time Zone of the United States (UT minus 5). Sydney Australia is 16 hours ahead, so it is already 'tomorrow' there relative to me.
Therefore, if Star Trek opens in Eastern Australia at Midnight on May 7th, wouldn't that mean it would be 8:00 AM on May 6th here in the Eastern U.S.? It seems to me that Sydney is seeing the film more than 1 1/2 days before New York and the rest of the Eastern U.S., and that's not just a function of timezones.
Even if timezones were ignored, you are seeing it a full day before anyone else.(unless I did my timezone math incorrectly
[rubs forehead and grimaces]
God DAMN I hate these complicated time travel storylines!
^ That was the way we had figured it back when the release dates were first announced. Australia will be seeing it a good 10 or 12 hours before even the early European dates (except for Belgium, where it opens on the 6th) and more than 36 before we see it here in the States and Canada.
I would like to see smooth headed Klingons, as shown in ENT. Big actors with long hair, goatees and greasy skin looked like TOS Klingons, only better. I totally bought them in ENT as new, improved, OS style Klingons.
I suspect the people wearing the bumpy headed Klingon helmets in the trailer are these above described kinds of Klingons only covered to prevent the need to explain to the uninformed masses why they aren't bumpy.
If not, if the pathogen didn't do to the Klingons in this timeline as it did in the original, I won't be losing sleep over it.
I suspect the people wearing the bumpy headed Klingon helmets in the trailer are these above described kinds of Klingons only covered to prevent the need to explain to the uninformed masses why they aren't bumpy.
If not, if the pathogen didn't do to the Klingons in this timeline as it did in the original, I won't be losing sleep over it.
I'm glad you brough this up, because I was thinking about this the other day. ...
Even if timezones were ignored, you are seeing it a full day before anyone else.(unless I did my timezone math incorrectly
Yep. Who said time travel was impossible!
It also helps that, here, new movies traditionally start their run on Thursdays, with any sneak previews or gala premieres (for group bookings, and/or journalists writing film reviews) often on the Wednesday night before.
We saw the ST teaser trailer in front of "Cloverfield" on a Thursday night screening and were able to boast about it here on TrekBBS for many hours before US audiences got to see it.
That was the film crew...
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