There you go again with your meaningless 'lore' buzzword. Constantly repeating it does not make it true.
The Intersection of Canon and the Prime Timeline
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There you go again with your meaningless 'lore' buzzword. Constantly repeating it does not make it true.
It isn't meaningless.
If you're just going to do the 'no it isn't! yes it is!' thing again, the conversation is over.
It's not my fault you need everything explained to you.
And it's not my fault that you feel the need to slavishly believe everything CBS tells you.
It is over for good, at least between me and Dukhat.No, it isn't!
i keep going back to tolkien because it's in the news right now.
there are books (obviously). there are the old ralph bakshi cartoons (the hobbit, fellowship of the ring, return of the king). there's the peter jackson LOTR and hobbit trilogies. there's a new amazon series (which may or may not be related to the films).
these are all portrayals of more or less the same story, told differently. they're not separate universes or realities within the middle-earth legendarium, they're simply different renditions.
i think of discovery in the same light.
there are books (obviously). there are the old ralph bakshi cartoons (the hobbit, fellowship of the ring, return of the king). there's the peter jackson LOTR and hobbit trilogies. there's a new amazon series (which may or may not be related to the films).
these are all portrayals of more or less the same story, told differently. they're not separate universes or realities within the middle-earth legendarium, they're simply different renditions.
i think of discovery in the same light.
Right now, there is nothing about the show that makes me think it takes place in the same universe with the original series. Uniforms simply aren't going to cut it, as they are used in the Abramsverse and modified in the Mirror Universe. Same for the 1701. Or Sarek and Amanda.
They all exist in multiple universes, Discovery is just another one. I trust what my eyes and my common sense tell me.
They all exist in multiple universes, Discovery is just another one. I trust what my eyes and my common sense tell me.
Your eyes deceive you, don't trust them.
I wish some fans were as concerned about the quality of the writing, as they are about what universe I think the show takes place in.
who are you going to trust? the producers or your lying eyes?
no but actually it's a tough call when they explicitly tell you their intention and you're still like naw that can't be right.
i hope the writers are. but i'm not that convinced...
I wish the writing was better, but I have a feeling that was a byproduct of the pre-release drama and mixups.
Q introduced the Borg 100 years early already changing the entire future of the universe in season 2 of TNG, Admiral Janeway was allowed to further alter the timeline from 2378 onwards bringing Voyager back with transphasic torpedoes, adamantium beaming whatever armour and slipstream (which the novelverse now uses to further alter things) which...maybe evens things out by advancing the Federation as much as it should have in that time.
First Contact changed everything by it's rippling effects changing the Dauntless to the Enterprise, maybe adding to the litany of things other species used to justify fucking with time as much as humans have by initiating the TCW in retaliation, trying to preserve themselves in the wake of the Federation taking a sledge hammer to causality all the time.
Which then changes the 22nd century in ways we never see the outcome of as by then we're watching from the starting end of the changes, so the future of the 24th and 25th centuries no longer resemble what we knew.
Only for it all to lead to Hobus breaking any law of physics or logic in deciding to take the whole galaxy with it and exponentially grow in size and mass despite being hundreds of lightyears wide (creating a spherical shockwave with a surface area of millions of lightyears...) causing ships to be sent from 2387 to 2233 splitting the universe entirely into at least 2 timelines.
And now we finally return to the 23rd century to see a Starfleet that's almost alien in appearance and ability, where the entire multiverse is now the outgrowth of a massive fungal infection of subspace that if killed, destroys all life everywhere.
Not counting an event in the Middle Ages that apparently created an evil universe, where somehow no matter how massively different the course of human events are, everyone from the Prime universe exists their in a similar role regardless, implying a connection at a weird level, maybe through the magic superinterdimensional fungus.
You cannot pay anyone at Paramount enough money at this point to sit and fix all that into something coherent. And apparently the Trekverse has something built in to stop a full reset.
First Contact changed everything by it's rippling effects changing the Dauntless to the Enterprise, maybe adding to the litany of things other species used to justify fucking with time as much as humans have by initiating the TCW in retaliation, trying to preserve themselves in the wake of the Federation taking a sledge hammer to causality all the time.
Which then changes the 22nd century in ways we never see the outcome of as by then we're watching from the starting end of the changes, so the future of the 24th and 25th centuries no longer resemble what we knew.
Only for it all to lead to Hobus breaking any law of physics or logic in deciding to take the whole galaxy with it and exponentially grow in size and mass despite being hundreds of lightyears wide (creating a spherical shockwave with a surface area of millions of lightyears...) causing ships to be sent from 2387 to 2233 splitting the universe entirely into at least 2 timelines.
And now we finally return to the 23rd century to see a Starfleet that's almost alien in appearance and ability, where the entire multiverse is now the outgrowth of a massive fungal infection of subspace that if killed, destroys all life everywhere.
Not counting an event in the Middle Ages that apparently created an evil universe, where somehow no matter how massively different the course of human events are, everyone from the Prime universe exists their in a similar role regardless, implying a connection at a weird level, maybe through the magic superinterdimensional fungus.
You cannot pay anyone at Paramount enough money at this point to sit and fix all that into something coherent. And apparently the Trekverse has something built in to stop a full reset.
^^ But it's all Prime because CBS said so.
It is, and it all co-exists in a bizarre way. The characters are written to behave as if the universe around them has always existed as it has, no matter how uncomfortable we are being in the position of observer to all the changes that have happened. That's going to have to be our headache, not theirs. As from the in-universe point of view, they have nothing to explain.
Although, the magic mushroom dimension that spawned all life is something I thought they'd have noticed before.
if you look inside that dimension you see Khan's Magic Blood, the Warp 10 Salamandar Children of Paris and Janeway, the Genesis Torpedo, the Kzin, and other things you arent supposed to see twice.
That's not really a strong analogy, because with LOTR you do have distinctions about what is and isn't canonical. The novels by Tolkien are the canon. Everything else is an adaptation.
With Trek, the rule of thumb is that everything shown on screen is part of the canon. DSC is part of that, not merely an adaptation.
NewKhan's blood travelled back in time at Warp 10 and seeded the mushrooms that spread and caused all life and now it's populated by massive tardigrades and salamanders?
See this is why no one can follow this stuff!
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