^ Yes, it is. Even if it turns out to be accurate (which I doubt), it's still silly.
Spoilers The game changing Voq theory
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Iqbal hasn't shared anything beyond his current FAcebook profile pic too...
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Ok that explains that to a degree...I take it then he would be some sort of Manchurian Candidate then? That some trigger would activate...Because otherwise if he has no knowledge of who he is or was then what is the point of him infiltrating starfleet? He would have no idea of his mission or cause...
I see... So effectively - if he is not the real Tyler - then no matter how genuine he feels them -they are still - for want of a better word - ' raped' memories from some poor bugger that the Klingons captured earlier? Hmm... I think if these experiences and memories effect Voq's character and feelings about the 'vermin' he is fighting ,then at a later date, presumably after he is revealed to be a Klingon - or upon the road to that reveal - I guess it could be quite interesting...But for me it would have to effect his 'character', the whole nature of how Voq thinks and feels about the world, this twist, and not merely drive the plot for 'shock' effect...
I don’t understand why it’s a silly idea. Originally, Latif was cast as a Klingon who has a very similar description to the character that Voq plays. They never announced the actor playing Voq or even the character himself until suddenly he appeared in a promo a few weeks before the premiere. There is little information regarding the actor playing Voq. Now Latif is playing a human, who is apparently imprisoned by the Klingons who Lorca runs into. This is after Voq is told that he has to sacrifice everything. Mind you, Voq is all about remaining Klingon. To him, that is everything. It could absolutely be a red herring. Voq and Tyler may actually be two different actors. It, however, seems logical to me that this is the story they’re doing.
Ah, interesting.
Indeed. And it would actually make this “Remain Klingon” crap we’ve had to endure worthwhile. And make Voq, a Klingon who wants nothing more than to remain Klingon but is forced to do assimilate to try to win the war, a fascinating and ultimately tragic character. To me, this ain’t silly. It’s effing brilliant.
Of course, I’m probably completely wrong.
Nope.
This is the character Shazad Latif was originally cast to play:
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Kol_(Klingon)
By the time we learned that Latif had been shifted to a different role, Discovery had been filming for 3 months, so they had to have recast the role of Kol shortly after making the announcement that it would be filled by Latif, since the character he would have been playing is present in 3 of the first 4 episodes of the series, all of which would've been filmed fairly early during that 3-month period.
I don't know what changed their minds, but it's silly to assume that they created the role of Voq out of whole cloth just so that he could end up becoming Lieutenant Tyler as played by Latif.
The way they described Kol when he was announced is completely different to how he is in the show.
Kol was said to be a protege of T'Kuvma's
Which he clearly isn't.
Please read Kol’s original description:
Source: Variety
I wouldn’t call Kol as we see him in the show thus far as T’Kuvma’s protege. Kol has his own agenda. The protege role definitely falls to Voq. As I said above, having Voq, a character who wants nothing more than to follow T’Kuvma’s edict to “Remain Klingon” have to give up everything (read: remaining Klingon) and assimilate as one of “them” (read: humans) in order to win a war is effing brilliant.
I could be wrong. I don’t think I am. There’s more than enough evidence to go either way at this point. It wouldn’t be the first time a pseudonym was used to hide a role’s true nature.
@Campe98 So they announce that Latif is playing a character named Kol who is described as a protege of T'Kuvma's, change their minds and cast a different actor in the role, and change the nature of said role all within the span of a month (a month and a half at the outside)?
I think you're drawing silly conclusions just to fit your personal pet theory.
I think you're drawing silly conclusions just to fit your personal pet theory.
This will be an easy theory to prove. Basically if Ash Tyler is introduced in the next episode, and there's no sign of Kol at all by the mid-season gap, I think it's almost certainly true. There's no way they'd leave Voq's plotline hanging out there doing nothing for that long.
I meant no sign of Voq. I really wish I could edit posts. Can I do that once I stop being a newbie?
Sorry. I'm used to being on forums where I can edit my posts for at least a few minutes, so proofing (other than spelling, which I always fix) doesn't immediately spring to mind.
Maybe.
I’ve already admitted I could be off base. And it also may be 100% true. It just seems like a particularly interesting take to have a character whose entire existence revolves around cultural identity have to assimilate into another culture to survive.
Then again, the idea of Tyler just being a Manchurian Candidate-type character also could work. But I would think we would have already met Tyler if that was true. Again, I could be wrong!
I don’t know. To me, either is more interesting than just continuing to have these Klingons be there with no real purpose and separated from the main thrust of the story.
I think, however, based upon the conversation the Klingons had in the last episode about having Voq having to sacrifice everything gives credence to the idea. I’d love to hear your thoughts on what that exchange might mean.
No, what happened was, they realized that the casting announcements would give away the twist so they changed Kol's name to Voq and gave the name Kol to a different character. Iqbal was never involved except as a cover story. I'm amazed they managed to pull off the switch without us getting suspicious until now.
LOL, now I'm more convinced then ever that this theory will turn out to be true. Any time you're this positive about something being wrong and start relentlessly mocking the theory being presented, it's a good idea to bet on it being correct. Jon Snow lives!
Yeah, you'll get the ability to edit your posts pretty quickly. Just keep posting and it should kick in in a day or two. I forget the exact threshold.
That's not how production works, especially not since the scripts for the first four episodes - 3 of which feature the character of Kol as a member of the Klingon High House of Kor - would've already been written and finalized.
