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Spoilers The game changing Voq theory

That's not how production works, especially not since the scripts for the first four episodes - 3 of which feature the character of Kol as a member of the Klingon High House of Kor - would've already been written and finalized.

They just swapped the names around. It isn't that hard.

Scripts can change during filming as well.
 
^ Not on television.

I collaborated on an online writing project with a guy who was a staff writer for the television series ER, and he gave me some key insight into how a television writer's room works.

Switching two character's names around is not a major change.

If actors can improvise and change their lines, they can change character's names.
 
That's not how it works.



Not on television.

I collaborated on an online writing project with a guy who was a staff writer for the television series ER, and he gave me some key insight into how a television writer's room works.
I've read quite a few stories where scripts would be changed during shooting. There are even the stories in TOS of Bob Justman standing on Roddenberry's desk to get the pages from the revisions for scenes they had scheduled for that day.
 
That's not how it works.



Not on television.

I collaborated on an online writing project with a guy who was a staff writer for the television series ER, and he gave me some key insight into how a television writer's room works.

I'm pretty sure every show isn't run the same way but scripts while filming television shows change all the time....
 
I'm pretty sure every show isn't run the same way

There are general patterns to how a TV writer's room works; the guy I collaborated with found that out firsthand because he also worked for a couple of other TV series writers' rooms, although I can't remember which ones specifically any longer because it's been over ten years since I collaborated with him.

scripts while filming television shows change all the time....

You got some examples?
 
Yeah, well, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so I guess that levels the playing field.

I don't know what your point is, but
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There are general patterns to how a TV writer's room works; the guy I collaborated with found that out firsthand because he also worked for a couple of other TV series writers' rooms, although I can't remember which ones specifically any longer because it's been over ten years since I collaborated with him.



You got some examples?

I can't tell you how many making of this or behind the scense of that or the taping of whatever I've seen. Off the top of my head no I don't

Obviously if you're 4 episodes in filming you're not changing main characters names but the idea that a script won't change while filming a tv show because "that's how tv works" is kinda nuts.
 
the idea that a script won't change while filming a tv show because "that's how tv works" is kinda nuts.

It really isn't, and I'll explain why.

The typical procedure for how dramatic television scripts are produced, as per my former online collaborator, is this:
- You produce an outline and submit it to the showrunner(s)

- If said outline is approved, you move on to writing a "first draft" script, which is then submitted to the showrunner(s) for approval, critique, and assessment

- If changes are needed, you are asked to write a "second draft" script, which is then submitted to the showrunner(s); if no changes are needed, you're asked to turn your "first draft" script into a "final draft" script

- If your "second draft" script is approved, you're asked to turn it into a "final draft" script

This entire process takes between 3 days to a week, and is typically done while the overall production of the series is progressing (which is why most television episodes take about 8 days on average - at minimum - to shoot).I

Former BtVS writer/Executive Producer Marti Noxon has confirmed portions of this process, BTW, in interviews and commentary she has given over the years, so I trust its veracity.
 
Voq's actor is a relative unknown named Javid Iqbal; he's been listed in the end credits for all 3 of the episodes in which he's appeared: The Vulcan Hello, Battle at the Binary Stars, and The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry.

He's not Shazad Latif or Lieutenant Tyler.

This notion is silly.

And a guy named Alan Smithee has been credited with directing about 100 movies.

This is Shazad Latif:
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This is Javid Iqbal:
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They are not the same person.

This idea that Voq is Lieutenant Tyler is silly.

And this is Voq.

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He isn’t the same person either! :rommie:

I collaborated on an online writing project with a guy who was a staff writer for the television series ER, and he gave me some key insight into how a television writer's room works.

You can’t be serious... :rofl: :guffaw:
 
I don't know what your point is...
That "I wrote fanfic with a guy who once wrote for ER, so bow down before my infinite wisdom of the television writing process" is not a very convincing argument, especially when compared to your track record on accurately predicting some pretty obvious major TV show and movie theories, which is like 0-and-4 (and that's just the ones I know about).

If you were just the tiniest bit humble and non-insulting about it I'd have no objection, but you always belittle the people on the other side of the argument and are always 100% sure you are correct without any real evidence to back up your position.
 
You got some examples?

There are plenty of stories and behind the scenes books listing changes during filming. Particularly with comedies filmed in front of an audience. Friends made a point of that, but I'm sure that'll be dismissed as "wrong genre"

Since google is failing me, in the right genre; I have been on set of a production which changed it's script on the fly. Twice. They even added a scene a day before filming it and had to scramble for costumes - part of my costume was made from a jacket that was pilfered from the location as the whole very important sequence was added last minute.
 
I have been on set of a production which changed it's script on the fly. Twice. They even added a scene a day before filming it and had to scramble for costumes - part of my costume was made from a jacket that was pilfered from the location as the whole very important sequence was added last minute.

That can’t happen. There’s a strict process of a formal procedure. I heard it from a guy who heard it from his cousin.
 
It really isn't, and I'll explain why.

The typical procedure for how dramatic television scripts are produced, as per my former online collaborator, is this:
- You produce an outline and submit it to the showrunner(s)

- If said outline is approved, you move on to writing a "first draft" script, which is then submitted to the showrunner(s) for approval, critique, and assessment

- If changes are needed, you are asked to write a "second draft" script, which is then submitted to the showrunner(s); if no changes are needed, you're asked to turn your "first draft" script into a "final draft" script

- If your "second draft" script is approved, you're asked to turn it into a "final draft" script

This entire process takes between 3 days to a week, and is typically done while the overall production of the series is progressing (which is why most television episodes take about 8 days on average - at minimum - to shoot).I

Former BtVS writer/Executive Producer Marti Noxon has confirmed portions of this process, BTW, in interviews and commentary she has given over the years, so I trust its veracity.

none of that changes the idea that a script can't be altered while filming, a script being redundantly approved doesn't mean they won't adjust this or that, or lines or whatever.
 
Since google is failing me, in the right genre; I have been on set of a production which changed it's script on the fly. .

It's almost impossible to find really good behind the scenes of this and stuff on the internet, most of it was throw away stuff for us geeks and not well preserved. I've gone to find this one or that one that I got a kick out of watching, that I no longer have on VHS and simply can't find it.

it's a shame, I like watching those more than the tv shows sometimes.
 
It's almost impossible to find really good behind the scenes of this and stuff on the internet, most of it was throw away stuff for us geeks and not well preserved. I've gone to find this one or that one that I got a kick out of watching, that I no longer have on VHS and simply can't find it.

it's a shame, I like watching those more than the tv shows sometimes.

It's quite frustrating - there's one I was only reading about a couple of days ago and I can't find it at all now with a generic google search. Doesn't help that I forgot what show it was...

I do have some reference books somewhere, but that'd involve moving. And I'm not into that in my current state of biological contamination :(
 
That "I wrote fanfic with a guy who once wrote for ER, so bow down before my infinite wisdom of the television writing process" is not a very convincing argument, especially when compared to your track record on accurately predicting some pretty obvious major TV show and movie theories, which is like 0-and-4 (and that's just the ones I know about).

If you were just the tiniest bit humble and non-insulting about it I'd have no objection, but you always belittle the people on the other side of the argument and are always 100% sure you are correct without any real evidence to back up your position.

I'm not belittling anyone here. I'm explaining what I know, and how I know it, and using it as a "general point of reference".

Since google is failing me, in the right genre; I have been on set of a production which changed it's script on the fly. Twice. They even added a scene a day before filming it and had to scramble for costumes - part of my costume was made from a jacket that was pilfered from the location as the whole very important sequence was added last minute.

Thank you for sharing this. If you can remember more specifics, I'd be interested in hearing them, particularly in terms of how far into the production this happened.
 
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