They did say a day before filming.
Spoilers The game changing Voq theory
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They did say a day before filming.
The specifics aren't really that interesting, sadly.
Second week of filming. Decision was made on a Wednesday. I was asked to do pick up another shift a few hours later (can't remember when it was a late night outdoors shoot).
The 3rd AD explained why and the runners tried not to run home and cry. It was shot between lighting changes on the main set in the nearest non descript room they could find - costumes were decided that morning (basically whatever they could scavange/we could fit in to).
Any deeper than that was above my paygrade. I just did what I was told and took full advantage of the free food (which didn't help me fit into the costumes they managed to get hold of).
And I'm genuinely interested in finding out more specific information.
Was this change made at the beginning of the season? In the middle? Towards the end?
As I noted, the general television writing process as I had it described to me - and as I've seen it corroborated by Marti Noxon - doesn't typically allow for sweeping script changes while the filming on a specific episode is ongoing to be made simply because of the time constraints involved, but with an example of an instance in which this kind of thing happened being provided, I'm genuinely interested in learning more.
Thank you.
And the process as I had it described to me doesn't typically allow for that kind of flexibility, although instances of rewrites/additions do clearly happen thanks to that example from @jamestyler.
It's more the casting process and the timing thereof that I find to be the biggest hurdle to clear in terms of this whole "Voq is Lieutenant Tyler" thing anyway.
Not the one I was looking for, but here's an old example of it happening on Star Trek: http://www.startrek.com/article/tos-original-scripts
There's a section on script changes during filming under "Final Drafts" thaat includes:
"However, there are a few instances where the script was revised while the episode was filmed. Two examples of this situation include “Mudd’s Women” and “The Enemy Within.”
Not even close to the show I was looking for (a more recent one, just an interview about not learning dialogue until the morning of shooting as the script would change - but can't even remember what show it was) but it's at least on theme, if a bit outdated!
I recall a story of it happening on DS9 as well, but that info was read in the 90's, so the specifics are barely in my head - I'd prefer checking before saying for certain!
Memory-Alpha sometimes has BTS stuff like that on their individual episode pages.
But that is a lot of episodes to check.
It is :/ Thankfully I remember the DS9 episode (the finale) and had a check in the companion, but the info I remember (rewrites on set through various scenes) doesn't appear; just the Avery Brooks thing where he had his goodbyes changed and reshot.
So, there's a lot of discussion about "this stuff isn't done on regular TV." Okay, but two points: (1) this isn't regular TV; (2) there are always exceptions to the rule.
Let's actually look at the production timeline here and see how this goes down:
Let's actually look at the production timeline here and see how this goes down:
- December 12, 2016 - It was announced that Shazad Latif would be joining the series as Klingon Commanding Officer Kol. Kol is described as the "protege of T'Kuvma." (Variety)
- January 21, 2017 - Chris Obi (T'Kuvma) tweets a video showing himself, Maulik Pnacholy (Doctor Nambue) and Shazad Latif in a van. Why would these people be together just a few scant days before filming begins? Seems to me, as they have a driver (John) they're flying out to Toronto from "not-so-sunny L.A." (Twitter)
- January 24, 2017 - Filming begins on Star Trek: Discovery (TrekMovie)
- April 28, 2017 - It was announced that Latif had been recast as Lt. Tyler. The role of Kol being taken by Kenneth Mitchell. Please note the word announced. There is no indication that this decision was made on or around April 28. Remember the rumors were circulating for quite some time before it was announced that Sonequa Martin-Green would be the lead on the series. She was cast on December 14, 2016 (Deadline), but was not officially announced until April 3, 2017 (startrek.com) when filming was well under way. So, why would they wait four months to announce this change of casting? (TV Guide)
- August 18, 2017 - Via an Instagram video posted by CBS, we are first introduced to Voq, who according to TrekCore is "played by an actor we are still unable to confirm." Now., with all of the casting information that was available, why was Voq's not announced in the same way as all of the other actors in the series? (Instagram)
- September 24, 2017 - Star Trek: Discovery premieres with a character named Voq who is the "protege of T'Kuvma." He is credited as an actor with little information out there by the name Javid Iqbal.
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Since IMDB accepts submissions from any user, why is anyone treating anything it says as reliable? It's been wrong before, and will be wrong again.
I am pretty convinced this theory is true. For me, the strongest evidence is in the post-show credits. Both Wilson Cruz (Doctor Culver) and Kenneth Mitchell (Kol) get their own intertitle as full-on guest stars. Culver has a 30-second conversation with Stamets and shakes his head over Landry’s body while Kol is clearly a secondary player to Voq in the Klingon storyline. Meanwhile, "Javid Iqbal" gets this:
He has to share the screen with a bunch of one liners on the bridge crew and the computer of a wrecked ship. Unless Iqbal has the worst agent in the industry, there is no logical reason why the Voq actor would get worse billing in the end credits than actors with much smaller roles. Unless of course he already appears in the main titles
He has to share the screen with a bunch of one liners on the bridge crew and the computer of a wrecked ship. Unless Iqbal has the worst agent in the industry, there is no logical reason why the Voq actor would get worse billing in the end credits than actors with much smaller roles. Unless of course he already appears in the main titles
They'll probably write some kind of reason why, which will correct itself and never happen again by the time TOS era hits, so they can expose Shecky Darvin.
I hope it's utterly ridiculous. "Devarian gene cloaking!"
I am pretty convinced this theory is true. For me, the strongest evidence is in the post-show credits. Both Wilson Cruz (Doctor Culver) and Kenneth Mitchell (Kol) get their own intertitle as full-on guest stars. Culver has a 30-second conversation with Stamets and shakes his head over Landry’s body while Kol is clearly a secondary player to Voq in the Klingon storyline. Meanwhile, "Javid Iqbal" gets this:
He has to share the screen with a bunch of one liners on the bridge crew and the computer of a wrecked ship. Unless Iqbal has the worst agent in the industry, there is no logical reason why the Voq actor would get worse billing in the end credits than actors with much smaller roles. Unless of course he already appears in the main titles
That image isn't working for me.
I'm sure the tribble will play a role, it's existence too coincidental otherwise.
Sorry, the image hoster seems to be down. Here's that puny Voq credit again
Maybe we aren't looking at that Tribble the right way. What if this one LIKES Tyler-McKlingon, and he takes it home with him after his stint in the Starfleet. This creates the Tribble Crisis on the homeworld, the war is refocused against the Tribbles. This scatters the Klingon forces for the next like what, 10 years as they search for the Tribble Homeworld and the war with Starfleet just kinda simmers down to hostilities like we see in TOS. Subsequent Tribbles hate Klingons as they continue to decimate the population, as Tribbles are all psychically linked by the galactic spore network.
